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Removing parking charges will increase the number of cars. If the car parks are full it will mean more queueing, or cars driving round and round looking for alternatives.


If that happened then the implication is that there's more people using the local shops - good for everyone. And they should then go and build another car park...


Perhaps, but it will also include people who commuted another way and the free parking has tempted them back into the car.

Building more car parks in city centres isn't something that happens -the land is too valuable. For some reason at the present time all the developers seem to be on the apartment bandwagon. And as the congestion increases so the opportunities for buses and park and ride to increase gets more difficult. So planners make it more easy for buses to get in and harder for cars.

And the circle goes on.


The collective intelligence of the free market is amazing. The planners just need to butt out (most of the time).

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The collective intelligence of the free market is amazing. The planners just need to butt out (most of the time).

Would suggest a lot more than just most of the time - perhaps they need to look at things from a different angle., and from the profit angle toooo , but from the best for the consumer to


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What bus? What train? (Well, to be honest we do get two buses a week). And have you ever tried to shift half a dozen bales of hay on a bike?


There's always park and ride.


But only useful if you want to go shopping in the largest town near me - which I don't.

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Why should those who don't park have to subsidise you?


Why should I have to subsidise swimming pools, playgrounds, parks and other things I don't use?

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Yokel wrote:
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Why should those who don't park have to subsidise you?


Why should I have to subsidise swimming pools, playgrounds, parks and other things I don't use?


Because they're leisure facilities, and should be available to all, as they are beneficial to everyone. You should try some of them :wink:


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Birmingham is an interesting study Graham. The new Bullring opening, combined with the flooding of the centre with apartments, has dramatically changed things. Whereas previously people would park all over and shop in the whole city centre, now the majority aim for the Bullring by car, bus or train. So the roads into the Bullring are busier, and shops elsewhere in the centre are losing out. But because there are far more living in the centre a number of these shops are becoming mini-supermarkets.


Wrong, Brum has always suffered from, having more shop spaces than there are high end shops that will pay, the Bullring pulled the better shops out of the pavillions and pallisades shopping centres into the bullring leaving areas populated by the "everything for a pound" type of shop,


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Birmingham is an interesting study Graham. The new Bullring opening, combined with the flooding of the centre with apartments, has dramatically changed things. Whereas previously people would park all over and shop in the whole city centre, now the majority aim for the Bullring by car, bus or train. So the roads into the Bullring are busier, and shops elsewhere in the centre are losing out. But because there are far more living in the centre a number of these shops are becoming mini-supermarkets.


Wrong, Brum has always suffered from, having more shop spaces than there are high end shops that will pay, the Bullring pulled the better shops out of the pavillions and pallisades shopping centres into the bullring leaving areas populated by the "everything for a pound" type of shop,


How is that wrong? It seems that we are almost saying the same things. The Pallisades was dying long before the Bullring came along. And the same could be said for the Pavilions.

The fact is that far fewer people shop outside of the Bullring any more. So any decent, smaller shops that are a distance away cannot rely on the trade that used to come their way with the nearby, bigger stores like Virgin, to name the first that springs to mind.

And because so many more people are living in the centre now, there are more supermarkets and mini-markets.


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Why should those who don't park have to subsidise you?


Why should I have to subsidise swimming pools, playgrounds, parks and other things I don't use?


Because they're leisure facilities, and should be available to all, as they are beneficial to everyone. You should try some of them :wink:

Playgrounds are NOT beneficial to me.
I don't use the Police force (there isn't one in West Brom)
I've never used the Fire Service
Leisure facilities are not available to all. My wife & I used to play Badminton until the council changed the rules about how to book a court. You now have to do it in person, between the hours of 9-5. So that excludes the working person. Great move...

So the least I should be able to expect from MY council is the ability to park free on the roads I've paid for. Sounds fair to me...

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I take it then that if your house catches fire you'll be turning the fire engines away and uncoiling your garden hose then?


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I take it then that if your house catches fire you'll be turning the fire engines away and uncoiling your garden hose then?

Stupid boy :roll:

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I take it then that if your house catches fire you'll be turning the fire engines away and uncoiling your garden hose then?

Stupid boy :roll:


No, it may be a flippant comment but it's a valid point.


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