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High everyone another C+ come too say hello, I wouldn't read too much into 'Wild but mild moggie' ,Krissi getting a warning from admin it happens quite often to others on there and sometimes complete threads are deleted if they get too abusive or x-rated as some kids use the site, oh and I think the bloke bit was just banter.
It looks like we all want safer roads and the majority of cyclists own cars aswell and eat meat "you can't beat a bacon sarnie mid ride at the cafe stop". If you look around elsewhere on the C+ site you will also see that 'Red light jumpers' are not popular amongst cyclists either, the cyclists who are unlit in dark clothing and on the pavement are not what I would call real cyclists, most club members are 'third party insured with membership to a body such as CTC,AUK or the BCF I realise in town couriers are another story We need more police patrolling to catch errant motorists and cyclists alike and just enforce the rules that are already there.

PeteE, I like your Rudyard Kipling signature I live life by that rule

and Krissi, what bike have you got?

Cheers and merry christmas from Steve, a bmw technician who cycles to work because it is quicker than driving

Welcome, and have a great Christmas.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Mercy sakes alive, looks like we got ourselves a convoy..

Have yourslves a good Christmas

me thinks we should soon be starting another forum for un-powered traffic...

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Speed camera policy Kills

Oo this is new, yet another C+ insurgent here Just seeing what all the fuss is about. Think I'll have a look around now, byeeeeeee

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'Detritus, get yer stoney arse over ere'

I see from your profile, Neil, that you're a police officer - if you ask Paul nicely he'll give you a nice blue logo to go with your postings (see "In Gear", "Ian" etc)

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Cheers, like that badge. Want one

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'Detritus, get yer stoney arse over ere'

You've got one.

Welcome Neil.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Ha, nice badge , don't get badges at C+. 'mumble tight fisted mumble mumble'. On another note ie this thread, cycling furiosly is a laugh, I think you used to be done for it a while ago, but with the CPS controlling everything these days you are far more likely to be done for:

Section 28 Road Traffic Act 1988 : Dangerous Cycling

A person who rides a cycle on a road or other public place without due care and attention or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road is guilty of an offence.


There is even a furious driving charge, but again you are more likely to be done for dangerous driving

Section 78 Highways Act 1835 : Driving Furiously

It is an offence to drive any carriage furiously as to endanger life or limb


Section 2 Road Traffic Act 1988 Dangerous Driving

A person who drives a mechanically propelled vehicle dangerously on a road or other public place is guilty of an offence.

In any event most road cyclits such as myself, have speedo's on their bike's, I wonder if a GATSO would activate for a small profile such as a road bike I know of one on a hill I could try this idea out on, but would it be moraly correct

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'Detritus, get yer stoney arse over ere'

Perhaps they could give us petrolheads a "Mr Toad" badge



"Poop-poop!"

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Welcome fixed wheel nut and Neil.


Look forward to exchanging points of view with you. We are quite a nice bunch on here. No serial law breakers around - anyway. And we behave like gents on here . Only thing which annoys is use of the S-word which rhymes with another word meaning kiddy-fiddler. About only time the Mad Lad fhas been known to fly off into a full scale rant.

Think I mentioned those Acts in the dim and distant past on here Neil..but we need to remind people that we can and do take action against all dangerous behaviour. So heartening to have these powers, isn't it! We need to promote safety and the more Plod contributing on here .. the better!

Personally .. am against excessive use of a speed camera and would like to see more training offered so that people actually learn from a run-in with us. We try when we pull people in our patch ... but we have a bit of a headache with bikers and boy racers. One small but lethal section of our society and I think this is the case across the country. We are not doing enough to stop this and the message does seem to go in one ear and spin in the empty space before exiting out the other

Work recently sent me on an on road and off road cycling proficeny course for 2 days (also had to pass a highway code test ). At first I thought this was a total waste of time, I'm an experienced keen cyclist, who has cycled over some of the biggest climbs from the tour de france.
In retrospect, I would now say that i think anyone who uses a bike on a road should have to sit and pass such a course.
My reasoning is simple, anyone can get on a bike, and ride on our very busy roads. They are able to do this without having to have any knowledge of the highway code, which is trully frightening as they may not properly understand road signs or markings. As has allready been mentioned there are now many 20mph areas in Britain. On a flat I can easilly get over 30mph (not for to long though ), so all bikes should be fitted with a speedo (£10 in Argos). Motorists are battered by many rules and regulations to enjoy the freedom of motoring, so if cyclists want equality on the road, it's only fair that things should change a little

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'Detritus, get yer stoney arse over ere'

I would have to agree with you there Neil, issues such as unlit cycles, red light jumping etc... could then be tackled.

The down-side of this is that at the moment it seems completely impractical. All bikes would have to be registered, all bike owners would have to be licenced, it would be the equivalent of setting up another DVLA!

The cost of intoducing all of this would be astronomical. I suppose you could introduce a Bike Tax (note TAX, not Excise Duty!), but who'd do the enforcing? I for one would object strongly to paying £150/bike (not sure how much vehicle excise duty is these days).

It could be self-financing from fine revenue. Oh, hang on a minute...

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

I've some problems with this post.
Earlier on this thread it was established that speed limits only apply to motorised vehicles. (Might that have something to do with the disproportionate danger posed by heavy machines to other road users, do you think?) Seems anyone can be a police officer without having to have any knowledge of the HC, which is truly frightening etc.
And please, enough of this beleaguered motorist mythology. It's misleading and dangerous. Driving is a voluntary activity which - because of its inherent dangerousness - is subject to legislative constraints. There is no 'freedom of motoring'. There may have been a golden age, between the days of man with red-flag and today's snarl up, when the roads were clear and dashed good chaps called Douglas toured in boats on wheels in leather goggles and cloth caps with a wicker hamper in the luggage compartment, but I suspect that's rosey-tinted revisionism. Fact is the driver is not 'besieged' but is rather operator of a siege engine, and the greatest obstacle to his unhindered autonomous motoring pleasure is not walkers (should they take a test before they stroll a country lane?) or horses or cyclists - those road users who pre-date and who will outlast the car - but the presence of millions upon millions of other cars on the road.

Uh-oh Where's my tin hat?

I've some problems with this post.
Earlier on this thread it was established that speed limits only apply to motorised vehicles. (Might that have something to do with the disproportionate danger posed by heavy machines to other road users, do you think?) Seems anyone can be a police officer without having to have any knowledge of the HC, which is truly frightening etc.
And please, enough of this beleaguered motorist mythology. It's misleading and dangerous. Driving is a voluntary activity which - because of its inherent dangerousness - is subject to legislative constraints. There is no 'freedom of motoring'. There may have been a golden age, between the days of man with red-flag and today's snarl up, when the roads were clear and dashed good chaps called Douglas toured in boats on wheels in leather goggles and cloth caps with a wicker hamper in the luggage compartment, but I suspect that's rosey-tinted revisionism. Fact is the driver is not 'besieged' but is rather operator of a siege engine, and the greatest obstacle to his unhindered autonomous motoring pleasure is not walkers (should they take a test before they stroll a country lane?) or horses or cyclists - those road users who pre-date and who will outlast the car - but the presence of millions upon millions of other cars on the road.[/quote]
1. I know there are no speed limits for cyclists , I was making a case as to why there should be.

2. Fair comment, but step out in front of me when I'm doing 35 to 45 mph downhill, and I guarantee neither of us will get up and walk away from that one.

3. Don't know where you live, but I live in an area where I enjoy relative freedom in my car . In fact Top gear often test cars near to where I live, off the top of my head they did a Porche, and the Focus RS

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'Detritus, get yer stoney arse over ere'

Well, if the beleagured motorist is a myth that doesn't leave any phrase adequate to describe the idea that we're all rolling around in siege engines. I admit I haven't referred to my handbook before this post, but I'm damn sure there's nothing in there about how to use it for flinging masonry and burning missiles over walls or getting large numbers of attackers up to where than can have a good old set to with the defenders. I can see how it might be used to smash doors open and of course that has happened, but since a ram raid isn't normal driving activity and a ram raider isn't your average motorist I don't think that's hugely relevant.

Could be, though possibly the most vocal will often be the walkers. Bizarre considering that we're all pedestrians too, but there you go.

Edited for typos, a double post and a good from basingwerk. You know us too well mate.

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Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler - Einstein

Absolutely If it will help reduce casualties. I still see people walking down country lanes at night without reflective clothing and with their backs to the oncomming traffic.....Just plain stupid.

Whats wrong with people being made responsible for their own safety...that includes pedestrians. Why does the motorist always have to take the blame.

A cyclist needs no training or education whatsoever before riding on the roads. Highway code or otherwise.....Is that not just plain daft.

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Speed camera policy Kills

Edited cos it's the spluttering exhaust pipe who wrote ... but been at me single malt and it's all Mad Mog's fault! Hic! (well got to blame someone! )



If you only knew how much training goes into it and the exams My instructor was hard to please most of the time.

And it's a bit more than the HC alone too .. but shame cyclists do not read it. The fight Krissi had ovr rule 19!




But Spluttering Exhaust pipe. we are in a changing world where increasing numbers of cars on the streets. Seems a logical step for horse riders and cyclists to be subject to some kind of proficiency test and skill level before they attempt to mingle with vehicles. It is not good enough that some never read the HC - ever.

Also, a cyclist's actions can affect others and without any taining t all, some of them, who have never driven a car, may not be fully aware of this.

Like Neil above .. our mob have had cycling lessons and it did prove that some of our chaps do not know it all either A real eye-opener for some and they found they were out of shape too!

Have reminded people, politely an in a friendly manner, on our country lanes to take care, walk at the side of the kerb and keep eye out for any traffic as matter of course. Because their manner and attitude gave cause for concern. Works quite well as they see us then in a more caring than siply enforcing role.



Agree .. we should have speed limits for cyclists as well. If you are fit - you can really pick up speeds - which can be dangerous to other road users.

Yes .. I live in Durham area and enjoy a decent drive around too. But have to be careful when I visit the rest of the family who are based in hot spots - same as anyone else!

Sorry Neil - if you read this the first time. No worries about my little love affair with my single malt .. not at work tomorrow! In fact.. got New Year's Eve off this time .. first time in years I've not been working.

In Gear,

Neil did not write the first two "quotes" he was just quoting suck_my_tailpipe and his later comments were his response to it.

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Ross

Yes I'm a hoon, but only on the track!!!!