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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 09:37 
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A motorist accused of driving at 37mph in a 30mph zone has had the case against him dropped after the prosecution decided it wasn’t worth the trouble.

He claimed that the mobile speed camera used wasn't reliable at the distance he was snapped from, and therefore his conviction (of doing 37 in a 30) was invalid. Apparently too many expert witnesses would have been required to make it worthwhile proceeding with the case.

Let's hope that this opens the flood gates.

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At present this is a 'non-story'. I worked on it with the Daily Mail on and off all afternoon yesterday.

The case certainly wasn't dropped on the 'certified at distance' claim which is a misread of a calibration certificate.

The CPS went into hiding, which leaves me believing that the case had a fatal defect which may have been revealed if the case had gone ahead.

It's a 'non-story' is because we don't know what that defect was.

I'm seriously ashamed of The Times for building their story from the agency copy without checking the basics. The Daily Mail showed far higher standards of journalism and integrity. I don't think they ran it at all (but I could be wrong).

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I was caught 239 metres away when the manufacturer can only guarantee the camera to be accurate at 25, 50 and 100 metres

Seems like an odd technical limitation; what’s wrong with 75m, or 76.5m?
I guess they got that wrong too.

What camera was the guy ‘caught’ with?

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I was caught 239 metres away when the manufacturer can only guarantee the camera to be accurate at 25, 50 and 100 metres

Seems like an odd technical limitation; what’s wrong with 75m, or 76.5m?
I guess they got that wrong too.

What camera was the guy ‘caught’ with?


he was caught with an LTI i would imagine very popular in Norfolk, can anyone clarify if this actually went to trial or was a dropped at the pre trial stage.


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 12:39 
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Came across this on PH:

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On Saturday I wrote to Michael Ives. He just phoned me up!

He was on Radio Scotland yesterday. He's on R4 tomorrow at about 9:30am. He's amazed at the amount of interest worldwide in his case -- he's getting calls from journalists globally.

The basis of his defence was this. He obtained the camera calibration certificate via FOI. It shows that calibration checks were done at 25, 75 and 100m. He read out what it says on the back, something like "this instrument has been calibrated and calibration verified and complies with manufacturer's specification at the measured points". His defence was therefore that it has not been calibrated beyond 100m. He has not claimed it is inaccurate, simply that it has not been calibrated beyond 100m and therefore cannot be relied on for prosecution.

He also pointed out that in his case the CPS withheld evidence from him that would weaken their case. He has raised a complaint with the CC and is awaiting a response. He said he would let me know what happens.


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smeggy wrote:
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Peter Ward wrote:
On Saturday I wrote to Michael Ives. He just phoned me up!

He was on Radio Scotland yesterday. He's on R4 tomorrow at about 9:30am. He's amazed at the amount of interest worldwide in his case -- he's getting calls from journalists globally.

The basis of his defence was this. He obtained the camera calibration certificate via FOI. It shows that calibration checks were done at 25, 75 and 100m. He read out what it says on the back, something like "this instrument has been calibrated and calibration verified and complies with manufacturer's specification at the measured points". His defence was therefore that it has not been calibrated beyond 100m. He has not claimed it is inaccurate, simply that it has not been calibrated beyond 100m and therefore cannot be relied on for prosecution.

He also pointed out that in his case the CPS withheld evidence from him that would weaken their case. He has raised a complaint with the CC and is awaiting a response. He said he would let me know what happens.


I was aware of that claim. While I have no doubt that the defendent believes it to be the reason, I don't believe it. The CPS dropped the case either:

a) because they were too dumb to knock down a pathetic defence
b) because there was a strong defence that made them think they would lose and they didn't want coming out.

I'll place my bet on b).

It remains possible (no more than that) that some specific wording somewhere does happen to suggest that such normal usage is 'outside calibration'.

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Hi everyone,
I have just received all the info I requested under the FIA rules. The calibration cert for this camera (LTI 20-20 TS/M) gives the same calibration figures as the above gentlemans did. I was actually clocked at over 400 meters. Is it still possible for me to quote this reason to fight the case?
Thanks for any advice in advance.
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