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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 23:56 
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I don't have the article yet, but Radio Five have already been on the phone, and apparently I'm well quoted.

Here's the front page:

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I've got the paper copy if you'd like me to scan it?

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Thanks Dixie, but it has turned up on the Express web site:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/8506/20+MPH+Britain

20 MPH BRITAIN

Friday June 1,2007
By Jo Macfarlane

BRITAIN’S towns and cities face the introduction of an “impractical” 20mph speed limit for all vehicles, it emerged last night.

The drastic new restrictions on urban ­driving could be imposed by all councils across the country in a matter of months.

Portsmouth today becomes the first city in Britain to introduce the tough new measures. And campaigners say it is only a matter of time before the 20mph limit is rolled out across the nation.

Experts claim the imposed go-slow will help to save lives and protect pedestrians and cyclists. But furious critics yesterday branded the move as an escalation in the bitter war against Britain’s motorists. It was even claimed that the new limit could increase the number of accidents.

Paul Smith, from campaign group Safe Speed, said: “It’s a knee-jerk reaction and an ill-founded one. If you get to the point where a speed limit feels unnatural, it affects a driver’s attention.

It could be quite marked and it could be quite dangerous – we just don’t know

The Government has given all local authorities the power to cut residential speed limits to 20mph, and Liberal Democrat-run Portsmouth City Council became the first to take up the offer.

The £475,000 scheme was launched in the south-east of the city today, with other residential roads to follow by the end of the year.

The new limit will eventually affect 187 miles of roads within the city.

Coun Alex Bentley, executive member for traffic and transportation, said: “This is a bold step for a council to take but it’s a vital safety measure and we make no apology for bringing it in.

“Portsmouth is a crowded city and on most of our residential streets it’s not safe to drive at more than 20mph.

“Twenty is plenty. A pedestrian hit by a car travelling at 20mph is likely to suffer slight injuries but at 30mph they are likely to be severely hurt. At 40mph or above they are likely to be killed. I’m sure this scheme will save lives.”

But even council officials admit the move is “controversial” and there has been huge opposition.

Hugh Bladon, from the Association of British Drivers, said: “The council has gone completely bananas.

“This is absolutely unenforceable, impossible and impractical and will bring all speed limits into disrepute.

“This war that is being waged against the nation’s motorists has got to stop.”

Coun Jason Fazackarley, Portsmouth’s Labour council spokesman on traffic and the environment, said he expected the decision to cause congestion problems, particularly at rush hour.

He added: “In principle, I agree with the concept for road safety reasons but I am sceptical about how it will work and I am cynical about how it can be enforced.

“We are the first authority to go this far so I suspect other cities will watch what happens with interest.”

Critics also point out that a 20mph limit is unnecessary in many urban centres where traffic already travels very slowly.

In Portsmouth the average speed on residential roads is only 24mph, while in London the average is just 10mph – the same speed as horse-drawn carriages a century ago.

But several road safety groups welcomed the 20mph limit. Dianne Ferreira, of road safety charity Brake, said: “It’s absolutely fantastic news. We’d like to see this rolled out across the country.

“Implementing this limit will save lives, and drivers will need to respect it for that reason.”

A spokeswoman for the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents said: “A reduction to 20mph could reduce the accident rate by 74 per cent.”

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Coun Jason Fazackarley, Portsmouth’s Labour council spokesman on traffic and the environment, said he expected the decision to cause congestion problems, particularly at rush hour.


That's it, add congestion to the already congested roads and make more angry motorist, No doubt the rush hour will be the time when the speed cameras get deployed. :(

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A spokeswoman for the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents said: “A reduction to 20mph could reduce the accident rate by 74 per cent.”


Be interesting to see the statistics in 12 months time.

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That's it, add congestion to the already congested roads and make more angry motorist

And of course, the answer to this manufactured congestion is the holy grail of Road Pricing according to the Brown/Eddington report.

Sorry, I just dribbled sarcasm all over my keyboard!

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But even council officials admit the move is “controversial” and there has been huge opposition.

But we're still going to ignore public opinion, cos we know best... :x

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“This is absolutely unenforceable, impossible and impractical and will bring all speed limits into disrepute.

I thought most were anyway?

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“This war that is being waged against the nation’s motorists has got to stop.”
:yesyes:

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But several road safety groups welcomed the 20mph limit. Dianne Ferreira, of road safety charity Brake, said: “It’s absolutely fantastic news. We’d like to see this rolled out across the country.

“Implementing this limit will save lives, and drivers will need to respect it for that reason.”

Groan... :x

I can't but think that by her logic, Brake will only be happy when motorised vehicles are banned completely.

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Whats the evidence base for the Brake/rospa claims? It seems they are willing to spout any rubbish that supports their claim speed is the cause of all evil in this world, without attempting justify them.


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Don't expect any rationality from a purely emotive organisation like BRAKE. RoSPA seem to be heading that way too, though I am sure with the best of intentions (road to Hell etc).

Are speedos accurate at 20mph? Are speed measuring devices accurate at 20mph? Are pedestrians going to give any notice/right of way/etc to a vehicle moving at 20mph?


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RobinXe wrote:
Are speedos accurate at 20mph? Are speed measuring devices accurate at 20mph?

Bloody good point, are there any Gatsos in Snail City? They aren't allowed to be used to enforce limits of less than 30mph so would have to be removed if there are! :lol:

Edit: Looks like they are all Truvelos. Ah well.

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Ziltro wrote:
RobinXe wrote:
Are speedos accurate at 20mph? Are speed measuring devices accurate at 20mph?

Bloody good point, are there any Gatsos in Snail City? They aren't allowed to be used to enforce limits of less than 30mph so would have to be removed if there are! :lol:


The police will just go back to putting the lines across the road as they used to in the old days. :oops:

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Well I suppose its the start of the first full scale TRIAL for 20 mph speed limits. It will be interesting in 12 months to see how they spin the results with the 74% reduction in accidents - sorry I meant collissions

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AAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

WE are going to hell in a hand cart!

Who are all these complete idiots? Why are we as a nation putting up with such complete idiocy? Nobody I speak to believes any time for this speed kills or nanny state boll*cks so why are we putting up with it.

I had a letter yesterday from my local council asking me to tell them all about my energy usage so 'we can help prevent global warming'....i've just written back saying that they could do their bit by stopping sending me unsolicited cr4p that i have to send to landfill!

I'm off to the pub now to get hammered before they ban that too!


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Ditto CE, cheers!


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civil engineer wrote:
AAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

I felt that way when I heard yesterday that they were going to start fining people for dog walking. I'll have to find that somewhere.

civil engineer wrote:
I had a letter yesterday from my local council asking me to tell them all about my energy usage so 'we can help prevent global warming'....i've just written back saying that they could do their bit by stopping sending me unsolicited cr4p that i have to send to landfill!

Maybe you could ask them how much energy they use in the creation, application and maintainance of...
Road paint (specifically of the yellow variety),
Restriction signs,
Traffic lights (especially at night),
Street lamps.

And anything else you can think of.
Maybe ask them the same question/s they asked you. ;)

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Well I suppose its the start of the first full scale TRIAL for 20 mph speed limits. It will be interesting in 12 months to see how they spin the results with the 74% reduction in accidents - sorry I meant collissions

:) Richard



Did you mean collusions ?( as in colluding to hide the evidence_ :roll:

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