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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 09:45 
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6231892.stm
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Huge driving test scam uncovered

Tens of thousands of people are paying fraudsters to sit their driving test for them, the BBC has learned.

The Driving Standards Agency (DSA) says imposters charge up to £500 and can have taken more than 200 tests each.

The scam works when the fraudsters pass themselves off as the person in the photo on the provisional licence that candidates must bring to their test.

The DSA described the problem, the scale of which has only recently become clear, as serious.

Difficult to spot

The head of the DSA's fraud team, Andy Rice, said: "It is quite common for them to do over a 100, sometimes over 200 tests, before we're in a position to arrest them. We're into the tens of thousands."

Many of the fraudsters have sat hundreds of tests at different driving centres around the country.

If they pass the test, the person paying them is granted a full licence - despite having never sat a practical road examination.

Ashley Bateman, a driving examiner in Nottingham, explained that it could be difficult to spot those trying to cheat the system.

"If their face looked the same shape and they had same colour eyes and things like that, there is a chance then that it would be difficult for the examiner to identify there's a problem," he said.

The AA's head of road safety, Andrew Howard, said he was shocked at the size of the problem and he believed it could be related to the increasing difficulty of the driving test.

"As the tests get harder to make the roads safer, more and more people will do whatever it takes to get around the hard exam," he said.

He also pointed out that drivers who have not passed a test are up to nine times more likely to have an accident, and it is more likely to be a serious one.

Lethal drivers

There are already cases reaching the courts.

On Monday, two men from Oldham were convicted of obtaining driving licences by deception.

Shazad Akhtar, 34, was sentenced to 200 hours community service and ordered to pay £500 costs after pleading guilty to 22 counts of obtaining and attempting to obtain driving licences by deception.

The DSA, which gathers evidence before handing it on to police, has run 1,200 investigations into the activity so far.

The fear is that the figures are the tip of the iceberg and that there are many more untested and potentially lethal drivers on the roads.


Dont worry - a few more speed cameras would root them out.... wouldn't it? :shock:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 09:52 
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Hi Earnest,
Saw the same article. It was mentioned that there were 4 million untaxed/uninsured drivers. The usual figure is 1 million.

Does anyone know what the current estimate is ?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 15:11 
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Ernest Marsh wrote:

Dont worry - a few more speed cameras would root them out.... wouldn't it? :shock:


Probably only catch those who broke the limit where a camera was sited... :wink:


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'The BBC has learned'? Where the hell have they been for the last 30 years? It's been rife for decades.

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Well spotted Nos!

Safe Speed issued the following PR at 21:17 yesterday:

PR510: Spin alert! DfT issues another 'distraction' story

news: for immediate release

At Safe Speed we've become used to Department for Transport (DfT) issuing
'distraction' stories to press in order to bury bad news. In this case they
have issued a 'scare story' about driving test fraud from the Driving standards
Agency (DSA) (A DfT Agency). [1] It's obviously intended to distract everyone
from
the failure of speed camera policy as highlighted in Scrap Speed Cameras Week.

These 'distraction stories' have the following characteristics:

- they are timed to coincide with a bad news story
- they have no genuine new content
- there's no reason for the story to be issued on a particular day (for
example, no new figures published, no new research, no key event.)

Paul Smith, founder of SafeSpeed.org.uk, said: "I've said it before and I'll
say it again. DfT would rather save face than save lives. They are refusing to
own up to the complete failure of their road safety policies and are trying to
spin their way out. It's a sure sign that they know the truth. They have no
defence, so they are attempting to distract us instead."

"The Daily Mail exposed the last 'distraction story' only a week ago.[2] DfT
issued some nonsense about the drink drive limit to distract us from our awful
road safety performance in the new European Transport Safety Council (ETSC)
report."

"This time the real story is Safe Speed's 'Scrap Speed Cameras Week'. Speed
camera policy has failed. DfT does not have one shred of worthy evidence that
speed cameras should work or do work to save lives. I can now shoot down every
single claim that they have made in 100 words or so; almost always by reference
to DfT's own data. (And, yes, I'll take that challenge, anytime.)"

"They can run but they can't hide. We must force them to face up to the failure
of their policies. They must take responsibility and they must start working to
put it right. But all I'm expecting is yet more spin."

<ends>

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[1]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6231892.stm

[2]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

Safe Speed PR on the same subject:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SafeSpeedPR/message/365

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It's not been mentioned directly, but all the reference cases I could find had Asian or similar names!
Anyone check their local new archives for evidence of this?

BBC Report wrote:
On Monday, two men from Oldham, Greater Manchester, were convicted of obtaining driving licences by deception.

Shazad Akhtar, 34, of Bolton Street, was sentenced to 200 hours of community service and ordered to pay £500 costs after pleading guilty to 22 counts of obtaining and attempting to obtain driving licences by deception.

Mushtaq Ahmed, 37, of Roundthorn Road, was fined £200 for obtaining a driving licence by deception.

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Ernest Marsh wrote:
It's not been mentioned directly, but all the reference cases I could find had Asian or similar names!
Anyone check their local new archives for evidence of this?

BBC Report wrote:
On Monday, two men from Oldham, Greater Manchester, were convicted of obtaining driving licences by deception.

Shazad Akhtar, 34, of Bolton Street, was sentenced to 200 hours of community service and ordered to pay £500 costs after pleading guilty to 22 counts of obtaining and attempting to obtain driving licences by deception.

Mushtaq Ahmed, 37, of Roundthorn Road, was fined £200 for obtaining a driving licence by deception.



At a risk of sounding racist, I've never heard of anyone without an Asian/African name being caught for it either.

I suspect the offenders have been playing on the 'they all look the same don't they' mentality for a very long time-coupled with a large number of tests per week making it hard for an examiner to remember anyone's face.

It also ties in with my very un-pc observation that BAD asian drivers (no, I'm not saying that all asian drivers are bad) appear to have a particular style of discourteously bad driving-to the point of me being able to say' Asian' and being 90% correct before seeing the driver's face. I suspect I'm going into the murky world of upbringing and cultural attitudes here so I'll shut up on the subject now.




You're right though Paul-it's got to the point where I see an announcement to do with driving and I start to look for what it's covering up. The DfT are very blatantly playing the press for tabloid style headlines designed to provoke kneejerk reactions.

Nothing really changes...

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This thread starts with a BBC report. They would never include any comment that this identity problem is probably more prevalent in the non-white communities.

When I heard this piece of non-news I thought it was going to be a "this is why we need ID cards" propaganda release.

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malcolmw wrote:
This thread starts with a BBC report. They would never include any comment that this identity problem is probably more prevalent in the non-white communities.

I'd distrust any news item that suggested the '....identity problem is probably....' anything. :roll:
malcolmw wrote:
When I heard this piece of non-news I thought it was going to be a "this is why we need ID cards" propaganda release.

So did I.


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It also ties in with my very un-pc observation that BAD asian drivers (no, I'm not saying that all asian drivers are bad) appear to have a particular style of discourteously bad driving-to the point of me being able to say' Asian' and being 90% correct before seeing the driver's face. I suspect I'm going into the murky world of upbringing and cultural attitudes here so I'll shut up on the subject now.


I'm afraid I agree. there is definitely an Asian style of driving....

As for the BBC's reporting style, it compares very closely with the postal voting scandal a while back, when they did everything in their power to avoid giving the impression it was predominantly an Asian phenomenon.


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malcolmw wrote:
This thread starts with a BBC report. They would never include any comment that this identity problem is probably more prevalent in the non-white communities.

When I heard this piece of non-news I thought it was going to be a "this is why we need ID cards" propaganda release.


I'm sorry to have to disagree with you there Malcolm......

I "suspect" that my own father did the same...... He NEVER drove until AFTER his retirement, and when I DID accompany him in the car he was very nervous and I had to push him to accelerate in NSL zones over 30 mph. Yet! ....... he suddenly passed his test!

Years later, my brother in law, (now deceased) hinted that someone else had taken the test for him. That was 17 years ago, he was, as I am, white ASP.

PS. He was a local Councilor as well! .................


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I'm afraid I agree. there is definitely an Asian style of driving....

I'll 3rd that, you can spot them a mile off with one eye shut.

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As for the BBC's reporting style, it compares very closely with the postal voting scandal a while back, when they did everything in their power to avoid giving the impression it was predominantly an Asian phenomenon.

It wouldn't surprise me to find out it is now a predominantly Asian scam, but it has been happening for as long as I can remember and back then it would have been a predominantly white mans scam.

15 years ago (or thereabouts), one of the prospects of the club I was involved with turned up one night with a book full of "test pass" certificates which the buyer could fill in themselves and send off to DVLA to obtain a full license.

Being the sceptical bunch we were, the club Pres along with the Sgt At Arms decided to take one as a "tester" to see whether they were as good as the prospect said.
The certificate was duly filled in, but neither of them actually knew that Group D was for a motorcycle license and so they wrote Group B as the pass on the summisation that A stood for Automobile and B stood for Bike...............4 weeks after the certificate was posted off, the Sgt At Arms received a full license in his name giving him the right to drive a car with automatic transmission :lol: :lol:

While we all pissed ourselves with laughter at this mistake (especially as he wouldn't be seen dead in a car), it just goes to show how many people out there are behind the wheel who have never had any formal training.

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