This appeared in Bolton's Saturday. It has attracted much negative comment on the "thisisbolton" website.
It would verify that no one wants this punitive and economic growth strangling scheme.
I hit the copy paste key. It seems to go on forever. I think it proves the depth of feeling and why such a scheme could lead to civil disobedience not seen since 1984/6 combined miners/council tax furore.
They metamorphose from spineless worms to snakes with teeth, venom and attitude
You could liken to dormant Mt Vesuvius. As eruption can be destructive
Print Email this CommentPosted by: John on 4:52pm Fri 13 Jul 07
Looks like the Manchester bus company are running the Bolton council now. What a farce.
Looks like the Manchester bus company are running the Bolton council now. What a farce.
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|tPosted by: Maria Sabina, hautulco on 5:46pm Fri 13 Jul 07
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[bold]John[/bold] wrote: Looks like the Manchester bus company are running the Bolton council now. What a farce.
They could not do a worse job John.
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If I remember correctly when the congestion matter was first reported, the Main Dealer BMW Head Office in Manchester was quoted as declaring it would move its operation to our Town AS WE WOULD BE OUT OF THE CHARGING AREA. I assume now we are to be included they (BMW) will forget this idea ?
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Yet again the poor over taxed under supported motorist is to feel the brunt of even more punitive taxes! We, that is the motorist, have seen successive impotent and incompetent Governments,levy unfair and swingeing taxes against the softest of targets-motorists! The congestion charge(laughable tag)will affect not just the motorist but also the retailer and consumer. This will be reflected in the number of shoppers, driven out to large out-of-town, retail parks. There is also the case of career motorists such as me, who find themselves even more out of pocket because of yet more taxes. I recognize that congestion is a problem, but by addressing just the school run problem, would go some way to alleviating the problem.
Yet again the poor over taxed under supported motorist is to feel the brunt of even more punitive taxes!
We, that is the motorist, have seen successive impotent and incompetent Governments,levy unfair and swingeing taxes against the softest of targets-motorists!
The congestion charge(laughable tag)will affect not just the motorist but also the retailer and consumer. This will be reflected in the number of shoppers, driven out to large out-of-town, retail parks.
There is also the case of career motorists such as me, who find themselves even more out of pocket because of yet more taxes.
I recognize that congestion is a problem, but by addressing just the school run problem, would go some way to alleviating the problem.
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If Bolton Council approve this wholly inappropriate scheme then the council tax payers of the borough should retaliate with a council tax strike. What would the council do then? The simple fact is that tax and duty on petrol alone is already at the outrageous rate of 67%. It is also paid out of income that has already been taxed. Council tax is a further hidden tax because it is not levied in countries like Ireland. Why then do we need further and wholly ridiculous "congestion" taxes? The Bolton News should change the language from Congestion Charge to Congestion Tax because that is what it is and the good people of Bolton are more likely to hate it if it is given its true name. The bad people of Bolton are unaffected because it will be enforced remotely by camera...and the baddies drive in unregistered vehicles. So the whole mechanism also discriminates against the honest motorist. Council Tax Strike...the only way to go! The petrol blockade brought burglar Brown to heel
If Bolton Council approve this wholly inappropriate scheme then the council tax payers of the borough should retaliate with a council tax strike. What would the council do then?
The simple fact is that tax and duty on petrol alone is already at the outrageous rate of 67%. It is also paid out of income that has already been taxed. Council tax is a further hidden tax because it is not levied in countries like Ireland.
Why then do we need further and wholly ridiculous "congestion" taxes?
The Bolton News should change the language from Congestion Charge to Congestion Tax because that is what it is and the good people of Bolton are more likely to hate it if it is given its true name.
The bad people of Bolton are unaffected because it will be enforced remotely by camera...and the baddies drive in unregistered vehicles. So the whole mechanism also discriminates against the honest motorist.
Council Tax Strike...the only way to go! The petrol blockade brought burglar Brown to heel
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You only have to see all the boarded up shops in the town centre now to look ahead and see what it would be like if this congestion "TAX" was to be imposed on us. Beirut would have nothing on us
You only have to see all the boarded up shops in the town centre now to look ahead and see what it would be like if this congestion "TAX" was to be imposed on us. Beirut would have nothing on us
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Another tax on working people, and best of all the Council will be able to waste the extra cash on more free housing and benefits for asylum seekers, illegal immigrants, crack heads, dole dossers and time wasters, plus any other 'victims of society' that they are so obsessed with. You can stand on the Town Hall steps and see several empty premises already, when will they realise that Bolton needs to be more easily accessible, but of course that would mean actually thinking about it.
Another tax on working people, and best of all the Council will be able to waste the extra cash on more free housing and benefits for asylum seekers, illegal immigrants, crack heads, dole dossers and time wasters, plus any other 'victims of society' that they are so obsessed with. You can stand on the Town Hall steps and see several empty premises already, when will they realise that Bolton needs to be more easily accessible, but of course that would mean actually thinking about it.
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Cllr Morris supports a bid and then finds out the details. No wonder people have no confidence in politicians when they show such incompetence.
Cllr Morris supports a bid and then finds out the details. No wonder people have no confidence in politicians when they show such incompetence.
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Sat 14 Jul 07
This will only go through because tax payers in general allow it to. Apathy has allowed politicians and councillors to pursue their tax and waste policies. Let's be clear - you pay and the wasters (ok - "victims") gain
This will only go through because tax payers in general allow it to. Apathy has allowed politicians and councillors to pursue their tax and waste policies.
Let's be clear - you pay and the wasters (ok - "victims") gain
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So where are all the "this wont be coming to Bolton" Brigade, People should start listening when I say its coming its coming. Just like the all encompassing EU just like Higher EU taxes VAT on children clothes, just like Higher Council tax, just like a housing crash, just like more unemployed..Just like the Euro.Just like ID cards. IT is coming whether you like it or not.
So where are all the "this wont be coming to Bolton" Brigade,
People should start listening when I say its coming its coming.
Just like the all encompassing EU just like Higher EU taxes VAT on children clothes, just like Higher Council tax, just like a housing crash, just like more unemployed..Just like the Euro.Just like ID cards.
IT is coming whether you like it or not.
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CONTROVERSIAL plans to introduce road congestion charging received overwhelming backing from members of the public at a key consultation meeting in Manchester. A vote revealed 70 in favour with just twelve against, at a question and answer forum organised by the Greater Manchester Passenger Transport Authority. The packed-out meeting at Manchester Town Hall was told that the proposals to charge a fee of up to £5 per day to drivers coming in and out of the city at peak travel times, is a key part of a possible bid to the government for a massive £3 billion package of funding to `revolutionise' public transport in Greater Manchester. And PTA chairman Coun Roger Jones who chaired the meeting, made it clear that in his view "You can't have one without the other." Leaders of the ten Greater Manchester district councils have until the end of this month to decide on whether to submit the Transport Innovation Fund bid. Coun Jones told the meeting: "It is a one-off chance to transform public transport across this area, and if we bid, we will be competing with major cities across the country. If we don't bid, it's not the end of the matter. We will still need the same funding, - we will just have to look elsewhere for it." The package includes a full range of measures aimed at tackling the region's congested roads, and stretched to the limit transport system.
CONTROVERSIAL plans to introduce road congestion charging received overwhelming backing from members of the public at a key consultation meeting in Manchester.
A vote revealed 70 in favour with just twelve against, at a question and answer forum organised by the Greater Manchester Passenger Transport Authority.
The packed-out meeting at Manchester Town Hall was told that the proposals to charge a fee of up to £5 per day to drivers coming in and out of the city at peak travel times, is a key part of a possible bid to the government for a massive £3 billion package of funding to `revolutionise' public transport in Greater Manchester.
And PTA chairman Coun Roger Jones who chaired the meeting, made it clear that in his view "You can't have one without the other."
Leaders of the ten Greater Manchester district councils have until the end of this month to decide on whether to submit the Transport Innovation Fund bid.
Coun Jones told the meeting: "It is a one-off chance to transform public transport across this area, and if we bid, we will be competing with major cities across the country. If we don't bid, it's not the end of the matter. We will still need the same funding, - we will just have to look elsewhere for it."
The package includes a full range of measures aimed at tackling the region's congested roads, and stretched to the limit transport system.Quote | Report this postPosted by: john, bolton on 2:14pm Sat 14 Jul 07
Limited, backward politicians incapable of original thought. This congestion tax has nothing to do with improving transport arrangements and everything to do with providing this wasteful government with another income stream.
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Posted by: Simon B,
www.manchestertollta x.com on 12:21am Sun 15 Jul 07
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[bold]King Eric[/bold] wrote: CONTROVERSIAL plans to introduce road congestion charging received overwhelming backing from members of the public at a key consultation meeting in Manchester. A vote revealed 70 in favour with just twelve against, at a question and answer forum organised by the Greater Manchester Passenger Transport Authority. The packed-out meeting at Manchester Town Hall was told that the proposals to charge a fee of up to £5 per day to drivers coming in and out of the city at peak travel times, is a key part of a possible bid to the government for a massive £3 billion package of funding to `revolutionise' public transport in Greater Manchester. And PTA chairman Coun Roger Jones who chaired the meeting, made it clear that in his view "You can't have one without the other." Leaders of the ten Greater Manchester district councils have until the end of this month to decide on whether to submit the Transport Innovation Fund bid. Coun Jones told the meeting: "It is a one-off chance to transform public transport across this area, and if we bid, we will be competing with major cities across the country. If we don't bid, it's not the end of the matter. We will still need the same funding, - we will just have to look elsewhere for it." The package includes a full range of measures aimed at tackling the region's congested roads, and stretched to the limit transport system.
The question asked was. "do you in principle support the planned public transport improvments" Not "do you support the congestion charge" One soul, asked "what about a referendum" they reply was joking silence.
King Eric wrote:
CONTROVERSIAL plans to introduce road congestion charging received overwhelming backing from members of the public at a key consultation meeting in Manchester. A vote revealed 70 in favour with just twelve against, at a question and answer forum organised by the Greater Manchester Passenger Transport Authority. The packed-out meeting at Manchester Town Hall was told that the proposals to charge a fee of up to £5 per day to drivers coming in and out of the city at peak travel times, is a key part of a possible bid to the government for a massive £3 billion package of funding to `revolutionise' public transport in Greater Manchester. And PTA chairman Coun Roger Jones who chaired the meeting, made it clear that in his view "You can't have one without the other." Leaders of the ten Greater Manchester district councils have until the end of this month to decide on whether to submit the Transport Innovation Fund bid. Coun Jones told the meeting: "It is a one-off chance to transform public transport across this area, and if we bid, we will be competing with major cities across the country. If we don't bid, it's not the end of the matter. We will still need the same funding, - we will just have to look elsewhere for it." The package includes a full range of measures aimed at tackling the region's congested roads, and stretched to the limit transport system.
The question asked was.
"do you in principle support the planned public transport improvments"
Not
"do you support the congestion charge"
One soul, asked "what about a referendum" they reply was joking silence.
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Posted by: King Eric, . on 7:11am Sun 15 Jul 07
Toys. pram. Sensible debate, sensible people. The congestion charge debated fully and most people there agreed, The antis didn't have any other alternatives and so were defeated. The anti campaign will flounder and die as they don't have an alternative.
Toys. pram.
Sensible debate, sensible people.
The congestion charge debated fully and most people there agreed, The antis didn't have any other alternatives and so were defeated.
The anti campaign will flounder and die as they don't have an alternative
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.You Ignored the alternatives I quoted as well as other people alternatives. Just like the cllrs and politicians do. Are you a local politician ERIC hiding behind a Low IQ?
You Ignored the alternatives I quoted as well as other people alternatives.
Just like the cllrs and politicians do.
Are you a local politician ERIC hiding behind a Low IQ?
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www.manchestertollta x.com on 11:15am Sun 15 Jul 07
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[bold]King Eric[/bold] wrote: Toys. pram. Sensible debate, sensible people. The congestion charge debated fully and most people there agreed, The antis didn't have any other alternatives and so were defeated. The anti campaign will flounder and die as they don't have an alternative.
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The antis were out numbered because. those 70 were "invited" by the GMPTA, no antis were invited, we found out about it, and it was during working hours with people unable to get the time off at such short notice. FYI, we (MART) was at the trafford centre yesterday collecting sigatures against the Con Charge, I dont have the figures but I know got triple the signatures I got on Market Street on the 23rd of June, and the online petition is ever growing.
www.manchestertollta x.com
www.gopetition.com/o nline/12888.html
www.notolls.org.uk/m anchester.htm Also I was out in Bolton on Thursday evening doing door to door the petition, I only had a few hours, the others stayed longer, but I got over a 100 signatures with only 2 refusals.
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You and your campign are completely deluded. If you knock on a door and say 'You may have to pay x£ to drive your car', obviously people are going to sign. Collect as many signatures as you want. Measures are needed to curb the use of cars. Public transport has to be improved. This will do that. Like the smokers you're pis-sing in the wind, dear boy.
You and your campign are completely deluded.
If you knock on a door and say 'You may have to pay x£ to drive your car', obviously people are going to sign.
Collect as many signatures as you want. Measures are needed to curb the use of cars. Public transport has to be improved.
This will do that.
Like the smokers you're pis-sing in the wind, dear boy.
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If this charge is passed it will be the final nail in the town centres coffin.
RIP Manchester and UK .
if this gets passed.
I hope it's easy to read. I pasted it up originally and realised it looked like "gobble di gabble di guck" I then thought of deleting then realised there were perhaps some gems there. So I tried to break into readable chunks.
Jazz and Ju-Ju find everyone they speak to are against. One of them did knock on doors too. She told me that not one had the slightest hesitation in signing up their feelings against this toll charge.
Somehow I think worms will turn over this one and perhaps metamorphose into a back bone which will rise to pressures