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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:14 
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I mean... if a cyclist has managed to make their way to the front of a queue of traffic do they seriously think they are actually going to STOP at the red traffic light and wait :roll:

well how about you take a look. We cyclists are stopped in the box. The cunts who happen to be riding bikes are the ones going through the reds along with the similarly named motorists.


Really? that's rather contrary to my experience (when I've been looking, obviously ;)).

Did I touch a nerve to get that reaction perchance?

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Tone. I used to use a dual filter mask that did particulates and fumes - I could sit behind a bus and the air I was breathing smelled clean!

They are a bit restrictive, but fine once you get used to it and yeah, they are a bit sweaty, but I found that the benifites of breathing clean air far outweighed the disadvantages.

I'm with you on the red light thing. I always found it safer to get away ahead of the traffic by a couple of seconds so I could establish a good road position before anyone tried to pass me.

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Thanks Sixty, I may buy one to try. :thumbsup:

Thinking about why I speed I concluded that it's analogous to any other law or policy which has not been thought through properly.

For instance, at work I overlook the car park to a hospital. Some time ago they decided to make it a pay to park deal, and not cheap with it either. I see people hobbling around to and from the machine they've stuck in a corner, fumbling for change or asking people for change.

I've been in situations where I've helped an elderly woman understand what to do; to put your car reg number in. It's an absolute disgrace!

You arrive there all worked up about your health or someone you're taking there and now you have to fret about parking and decide how long you may be there and how much to feed the meter.

I had to take my sister into A&E a couple of years ago, when she came off her cycle. We were both stressed, as you can imagine. All I wanted to do is get her in the place and stay with her, not dump her there, run off to find a place to park, run back and wonder where she's been called to go and later find a ticket on my car because I overstayed my welcome by 15 minutes. :hoppingmad:

I think it's wrong, plain and simple. And so people flout the rules - normal law-abiding folk are branded criminals once again. People park illegally or spill into nearby residential areas on a point of principle.

The pathos of it all :(

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Did I touch a nerve to get that reaction perchance?

yes, red light runners piss me off because idiots like you then go and claim ALL cyclists run red lights when it's patently not true.


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I don't mean to overstep my position, I'm just a humble subscriber, but we really should maintain some decorum, IMHO. This isn't one of those other web sites so here's a tip, which may be long overdue, from an anger management source...

Using Humour

"Silly humour" can help defuse rage in a number of ways. For one thing, it can help you get a more balanced perspective. When you get angry and call someone a name or refer to them in some imaginative phrase, stop and picture what that word would literally look like.

If you're at work and you think of a co-worker as a "dirtbag" or a "single-cell life form," for example, picture a large bag full of dirt (or an amoeba) sitting at your colleague's desk, talking on the phone, going to meetings.

Do this whenever a name comes into your head about another person. If you can, draw a picture of what the actual thing might look like. This will take a lot of the edge off your fury; and humour can always be relied on to help unknot a tense situation.




Really not aimed at anyone in particular but I have seen places where it does get uncomfortable for others. :roll: It should always be borne in mind that a wide and varied audience may be watching/reading.

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A few tips on cycle advance stop lanes.

- you can't get nicked for being in one, as you simply say I crossed the first line before the lights changed.

- many don't have the cycle painted the correct size or the cycle has worn off or has been tarmac'd over.

So basically unenforceable.


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Nice to see someone talking about "cycle lanes" cos I saw a wonderful example of not using a cycle lane a couple of weeks ago on the A570 Bickerstaffe (nr Ormskirk) to St. Helens dual carriageway.

Lo & behold on this particular Sunday a (presumably) local cycling club decided to have a "road race" for their members (presumably) and guess what they decided to use: :roll: :roll: yes you have got it in one THE DUAL CARRIAGEWAY of all things so here we have cars flying past at 60/70 mph in the pouring rain and every one of the cyclists COMPLETELY IGNORING THE SPECIAL DESIGNATED CYCLE LANE which is segregated from the main carriageway by a small grass verge and to compound matters even more when they reached the roundabout on one section to (presumably) do a "U" turn they then had to CROSS TWO LANES OF THE CARRIAGEWAY TO NEGOTIATE THE ROUNDABOUT WHEN cars were trying to get round as well :x :x :evil: :evil: :? :?

The buffoon who organised this debacle should be severely reprimanded for taking unnecessary risks with the lives of these cyclists and if deemed should not be allowed to organise another race again PERMANENTLY!

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johnsher wrote:
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Did I touch a nerve to get that reaction perchance?

yes, red light runners piss me off because idiots like you then go and claim ALL cyclists run red lights when it's patently not true.


Three points I'd like to make;

a) I can assure you that I am far from being an idiot
b) I didn't claim, I inferred
c) Maybe all cyclists don't do it but, my (and other's) observations is that the majority in London do.

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Mike_B wrote:
a) I can assure you that I am far from being an idiot

then stop making idiotic statements. Spot the flaw in my logic:
Last week I saw a woman drop some rubbish on the ground. Then yesterday I saw another woman drop some rubbish on the ground. Obviously there's no point in having rubbish bins on the street as women don't bother using them anyway.


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b) I didn't claim, I inferred

incorrectly

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c) Maybe all cyclists don't do it but, my (and other's) observations is that the majority in London do.

based on your sample of? On the route I ride into London the overwhelming majority stop at the lights.


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c) Maybe all cyclists don't do it but, my (and other's) observations is that the majority in London do.


Well, jonsher, we may not have the traffic London has, but I can assure you that I have never seen a cyclist wait at a red light. :shock:

They either run onto the foot path and cross with the green man, or just take a quick glance and off like f**k! :roll:


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c) Maybe all cyclists don't do it but, my (and other's) observations is that the majority in London do.

based on your sample of? On the route I ride into London the overwhelming majority stop at the lights.

It likely depends on the risks associated with particular routes. RLJing in urban areas can usually be done safely if done with awareness and consideration. Conversely, no-one in their right mind would to risk jumping the lights on the A4 into London (a route I used to frequent).

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I didn't claim, I inferred


Are you sure you didn't imply? :D

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Are you sure you didn't imply? :D


He may have inferred it before he implied it.


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They either run onto the foot path and cross with the green man

as far as I'm aware doing that is perfectly legal, so what's your point?

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but I can assure you that I have never seen a cyclist wait at a red light.

as for this I suggest you either get out more or pay a bit more attention. Ever notice how when you get a new car suddenly you see them everywhere? Does that mean they weren't there before?


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Are you sure you didn't imply? :D


I don't know, I'm an idiot remember :)

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based on your sample of? On the route I ride into London the overwhelming majority stop at the lights.


OK, let's take this morning's trip home. I encountered four cyclists on this particular journey. One at Aldgate, and three along the Commercial Road

Three came past me and went through a red traffic light whilst I was stopped at it (all male). One was waiting at the lights when I arrived and waited for the green (female)

That's 75% from this morning's sample.

Edited to correct my figures

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I encountered four cyclists on this particular journey.

so based on a whopping sample of 4 cyclists out of the estimated 1 million on the road you claim that the majority of cyclists run red lights. Well done.
I encountered at least 100 on my ride in. Maybe 10% of them were lemmings.


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as far as I'm aware doing that is perfectly legal, so what's your point?


Since when has it been legal to ride on the footpath :?

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as for this I suggest you either get out more or pay a bit more attention.


Driven virtually every day since 1949. Is that out enough? 8-)

But 'cyclists' riding has become more atrocious over the years. You daren't do any of those when I were young! :o


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as far as I'm aware doing that is perfectly legal, so what's your point?


Since when has it been legal to ride on the footpath :?

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They either run onto the foot path



you didn't say they were riding, you said they were running, as also quoted in the post which you're querying


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Driven virtually every day since 1949. Is that out enough? 8-)

then you better get some new glasses because your current ones aren't working.


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