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A fatuous analogy, not every speeder harms somebody. A more accurate analogy would be accosting everyone in the street who was carrying keys, because some people use keys to assault people.

Hey, it would seem reasonable enough, considering that Clarkson likes his speed!



I did! That's why I first came on here!!!



Now now, there's no need to be sarcastic!



I truly am sorry that you feel you've lost the argument so badly!
Oh, but "unique"? Are you sure about that?

Do you believe it is always wrong to break any law?

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Oh dearie me. It's obviously getting late and your brain has stopped working at it's optimum. If someone is threatening someone it doesn't automatically mean that they are harming them.

As for the carrying keys analogy, I fail to see how that's accurate because I'm not accosting anyone, and anyway, not everyone considers themselves above the law so speeds.

Saying I've lost doesn't make it so.

You're not making anything safer, you're just inconveniencing people, they'll still pass you and still drive faster than you. You're just being petulent.

Interestingly enough, the authorities won't prosecute unless a driver's motorway speed exceeds 79mph, but you seem ready to condemn anyone going faster than what your car's speedo says is 70mph, which we have already established could be anywhere between 56.75mph and 70mph.

I don't know really, did you have a specific law in mind? Anyway, I don't see what that's got to do with the average person who moans about middle lane hoggers been a hypocrite.

Ah, so you're not going to answer the question, then.

And by the same token surely the middle lane hoggers who moan about speeders are being equally hypocritical.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Try writing it 'being'.

Is it your considered stance that a hypocrite can never be right?

By being held up they will probably be more angry and will actually end up driving faster. Especially if they're late.

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Andrew.

Well considering the huge number of points of mine that you haven't responded to now, I would say that the evidence is there.



Yes, yes, in your opinion.



It's no good you know, it's not going to work repeating yourself endlessly when you know full well how little this 'issue' ever gets reported in the mainstream media.

Anyway, I thought you said that you weren't going to respond to me anymore? If you don't keep your word on that then how can I believe you when you say that you don't speed?

I'll try that when you write "noone" as no-one!



What is it about asking endless questions? It seems to me that you're just desperate to find some flaw in what I'm saying. (But before you say anything, sure, a hypocrite could be right - why do you ask?)

Theres the puerility again, way to be credible there!

So you are of the opinion that if it is not reported in the mainstream media, then it cannot be true? Have you ever researched anything for yourself, or do you get all your opinions from the Grauniad?

Are you saying that by driving in the middle lane at your indicated 70mph you never get passed by other driver, on one side or the other? If you do then its not my opinion, but fact. If you claim not to, then I think everyone will be incredulous, but perhaps not surprised.

I wasn't going to reply to you, but the opportunity to correct gross idiocy is so compelling, sue me!

I think that's just an excuse.

Use a dictionary, either is correct, however 'been' is a different word to 'being'. Goes to mental ability your honour.



You so rarely answer them! So given that you accept a hypocrite can be right, why does decrying those who you view as speeders, who criticise you for being a MLM, as hypocrites make you right?

Let me just say that, even if you aren't, I'm getting bored of answering endless questions... I've made my position clear and am off in a moment, but if you have any crucial questions then ask them because I wouldn't want you to feel that I was trying to get out of answering them.



What are you talking about?! And will you answer me this time or just throw around meaningless insults? (By the way, you may want to remember one of your posts from just a very short while ago...)



Ha! I read The Times and Telegraph!



No, of course I'm not! Why would you even suggest such a silly thing?



That doesn't make sense.



But of course they would be incredulous because that's such a silly scenario!



"gross idiocy" Yeah yeah! You're just upset because you lost the argument quite a while ago!

Yes, obviously it is, I made a spelling mistake!

And I've just checked a dictionary:

no one: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/no+one
noone: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/noone

Nope, it's not in there. I'm right again.





That's a lie. I've been constantly answering your question. It's you who hasn't been answering a lot of my questions.



I accept that technically a hypocrite could be right. I don't accept it here.

And as for me being right or not [you need to concentrate on this following bit], that has never been the issue. The issue, all along, has been to try and get people on here to realise that they are hypocrites and really shouldn't be moaning at someone else when they're doing something wrong themselves.

Right, I'm off now, I think I answered more than enough of your desperate* questions!


*I say desperate because you seem to keep asking questions in the vain hope that eventually you might get somewhere.

But it happens. And we can't ignore something because we don't want it to happen. We have to look at what is really happening and deal with that.

It's like a certain girl I know. She has a boyfriend. I don't want her to have a boyfriend and I try to ignore this fact but she keeps reminding me of it.

Making someone angry is bad enough any time, but doing it when they are driving is really quite dangerous.

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Andrew.

Perhaps because they are not as switched on as we are?
Perhaps they understand the reason for it?

It doesn’t matter; you are still wilfully obstructing traffic. It is partly irrelevant due to the inaccurate speedo issue.

It was cunningly highlighting the silliness of the statement it was based upon.

Who said that? I gave you the allowable tolerance (I’ve repeated it above for you); can’t you judge how the likely distribution of offset would be?

Fair enough, but why?

I don’t see the relevance of this reply.

Does that mean that you accept that it's wrong to lane-hog?

If you look carefully you will notice that I had put an emphasis on that critical word.

Also, I do argue that it is socially wrong to break the speed limit – in built up/sensitive areas (where the limit is usually just).

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I don't think even you believe that I've 'lost' anything; we've established that you drive in the middle lane at what you think is 70mph in an attempt to be a speed vigilante, you don't believe that your speedo is innaccurate because Jeremy Clarkson hasn't told you so, and you get all your opinions from the Times and Telegraph.

We've also established that you do not actually slow anyone down, you merely inconvenience them, because they still ultimately pass you. They then may or may not drive faster subsequently, due to your actions. Furthermore you do not believe the DfT figures showing how seldom exceeding the speed limit is that cause of motorway crashes, but think that every speeder is an automatic threat to other road users.

It seems that you claim to agree that two wrongs don't make a right, but yet justify your inconsiderate driving by the fact that you consider anyone you inconvenience to be breaking the law. You also believe that you cannot be wrong in your middle-lane hogging, because you perceive anyone who complains is a law-breaker, and thereby not entitled to an opinion.

Other extreme opinons you hold include a condemnation of someone who legally (and clearly safely) did 100mph on a German Autobahn, that GPS are highly innaccurate, and that, because people come here seeking legal advice, it is a "speeders club".

So what exactly was I supposed to have lost?

Finally, if you don't understand the word 'puerile', try http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/puerile