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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/7009923.stm


Bl**dy Hell!

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Let's be perfectly clear - he admitted dangerous driving.

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Paul Smith
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Is that really the fastest, or the fastest car?

Nice advert for Porsche: "Does what is says on the tin."

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Well the article says that he basically TWOC'd the car from his employers earlier that day, now ok he was probably insured/taxed/MOTd/licenced since he worked for them as a driver, so a little bit better than your standard car thief, but there is still no way he would be familiar enough with that car to safely do that kind of speeds, unless he happened to own one himself, which I doubt given the circumstances.

I'm not familiar enough with that road to suggest if that speed could ever be safe there. I've driven a fair few of Oxfordshire's dual carriageways, but never that one. They tend to be of a fairly high standard, but still contain right turns and cyclists from time to time. I don't think I'd ever be happy at that sort of speed. Maybe on the M6 toll on a quiet day (though unlikely, I think about 125 would be my maximum)

Which raises the question, is there an upper speed limit above which it is NEVER sensible/safe to drive above even with the best combination of car and driver available?

It says 'routine speed check', but it can't have been a camera, surely?

VASCAR?

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According to TVPolice:
Brady "needed over 500 metres in which to stop" and that he "managed to stop the car in 681 metres, though it was wobbling due to the heavy braking."

I'm sure poor/wet conditions would have been mentioned if that were the case (I can't see rain in the LTI photo).
Now, using the standard highway code trends of 0.67sec/0.67G, my spreadsheet puts the total stopping distance at 501 meters; it also puts 0.67sec/0.48G at 680 meters.
Really? in a car like this:



Don't get me wrong, Brady thoroughly deserved all he got, but I do wish the police wouldn't stoop to the level of the SCPs by trying to blind us with meaningless figures!

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Apparently, this is a photo of the camera used at the time of the offence:

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The great majority of the A420 is single carriageway (no central reservation), only going to DC near the roundabouts.


I would say yes, making use of the 85th percentile rule as a guide. I can't give you a number for that road, 60 looks like it might well be enough in many places on that road given the bends and frequent T-junctions.

Imagine the shock factor if YOU were doing 70 - and somebody passed you 100 mph FASTER!
An overtaking manouvre which started with a quick glance over the shoulder would quickly put you in harms way.... however he was stopped with a road block further down the road, so perhaps this was not a sustained speed.

Jolly good job it wasn't a fixed or SCP camera - he'd have been looking at a ticket a week or so later, instead of the immediate stop.

BBC TV showed a stretch of film at 56 mph - then speeded it up by three times, which was effective!

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That would be just like auf der Autobahn!



Given that the cars are built and tested to do these speeds no, not strictly speaking. But the car is at the mercy of its driver, who unless he's done Le Mans won't have much experience at these speeds and then there's Rummies 'know unknowns' equation, like a tyre bursting on bit of debris, which our roads are strewn with and race tracks aren't usually. And if things go wrong at those speeds even the best are passengers. You can't put a figure on it but the Germans seem to manage up to around 155mph though I don't think it would work over here.

Barkstar

Just 6 weeks til the Lombard Rally - 0h boy

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The autobahn isn't really a fair comparison in this respect. The slower autobahn drivers can expect to be passed at a high rate of knots so they'll all be prepared for it. There aren't many T-junctions on the autobahn either!

172 MPH...Oh Tim !!!!!!!!!!!

Good job the PCSO bluecaps were not on speed laser enforcement that day !!!

BUT

Other than 10 weeks in nick, and 13 MPH !! what is the difference between

TIM 172 MPH

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfo ... 009923.stm

and this Police Driver 159 MPH !!!!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objecti ... _page.html


Can someone please explain to me .. the difference ..Please. We are persecuted by PCSO bluecaps for alleged 8 MPH ..and all this is going on !! please !!!



HA

Ha! I'm really glad that you brought that up Honestandy, 159 mph on a motorway and 84mph in a 30mph limit if I remember correctly.......

Mind you, the nice Policeman WAS just testing his new car........here? wait a minute?........IF he was testing his car and NOT his own skills on a public road. Why couldn't the nice Policeman have "tested the car" on a bloody "RACE TRACK"!

Whilst I have little sympathy with the berk, I DO think that it re-enforces the belief that Policemen ARE treated differently......... for being an equally silly BERK!..........

One law for them, another for the likes of US!

how can they say he was driving at that speed when the ACPO COP states that laser speed detection equipment works between 5mph and 155mph

I have my view but I'll let someone else answer.

It wasn't put to proof because he pleaded guilty.

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Paul Smith
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Exactly so.

S87 Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984
and various bits of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions of 2002

ahh, but you would have thought he would have prepared some sort of defence