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And it isn't necessarily power that is causing the accidents

Most bike crashes caused by drivers


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oh don't worry about that R1. Its the perception that powerful bikes are dangerous that needs to be addressed.

you know like the fear of traffic being more important in speed enforcement than any stats that show speeding is not a major factor.

I think you mean TLS mate....the TLR was introduced as a homologation exercise so Suzuki could race it in WSB. Unfortunately, it was never competitive, although it handled quite well for a barge....

I have a TLS, and once you replace the crap rear rotary damper, and put a decent adjustable steering damper on there, you actually have quite a sweet machine It can be an evil bitch sometimes though

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Hi guys,
Here in France, and in Germany ( not sure about other European Countries ) we have a 106 bhp limit.
Now ,for me personally that's enough, ( VFR750 and CB900F both under )
even with the superb, mostly traffic free roads.
At present we have NO MOT TEST for bikes, no doubt that will change as well, but if it does, it'll be every 2 years, the same for our cars.
BUT watch out, I'm sure 106 hp will eventually be on it's way, start campaigning now, or go buy a Mclaren F1 ( 600 hp ? )
or a Bugatti ( 1000 hp ? )after all no doubt there will never be a cry to reduce the CAR hp !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Fergie,

What would happen in law if you de-restricted your bike?

I just want to know why we keep getting shafted with these moronic proposals that aren't based on a shred of real evidence. It should be a human rights issue to ban something for no good reason.

What moronic proposal that isn't based on a shred of real evidence has shafted your motorcycling recently then?

Why the aggressive tone?

Since you asked, try speed limiters, the new EU licensing directive, daytime running lights, no bikes in bus lanes, the old fiasco over leg protectors, to name but a few...

DRL in particular - my bike is an '02 so I can turn the lights off if I wish, and I find doing so in good weather actually makes people significantly less likely to pull out on me. Maybe the twin headlights make me look like a distant car, maybe the lights confuse people when leaned over at a roundabout - who knows.
If we aren't allowed to use bus lanes in London, we'll just filter down the side of them instead. Clearly when part of your attention is focused on staying mostly out of an empty lane to avoid a fine instead of staying away from vehicles then that's dangerous.
The new EU licensing directive will make it much harder for people to get into motorcycling and hurt the industry significantly...purely for the sake of "harmonisation". Why on earth should you have to wait until you're 24 to ride a proper bike? There's few enough people taking up riding these days as it is.
Leg protectors caused more injuries (including amputation) than they prevented.

Now, it's a case of them throwing shit at the wall and occassionally some of it sticks. But motorcycles are always under assault in one way or another - I get pretty tired of the bullshit. What next, compulsory raised stabilisers to stop people from using high lean angles?

RepiV,

If you search for other posts by Icandoit you will get a better understanding of his/her posting style.

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Nothing 'aggressive' at all. I was simply asking you to explain what moronic proposals that aren't based on a shred of real evidence has shafted your motorcycling recently. They were your own 'agressive' words.

I don't see bikes on sale with speed limters, DRL are optional in the UK at least (more fool those that buy bikes whose lights cannot be turned off), no bike in bus lanes has not suddenly been foisted on you and leg protectors never happened.

No argument from me over that at all. But I read (but have not confirmed) that the DRL that was introduced for all vehicles in Austria has been revoked (or is being considered) after a significant rise in third party casualties.

It is not a moronic proposals that aren't based on a shred of real evidence has shafted your motorcycling recently though is it? Some cities allow motorcycles in bus lanes and it is up to the local authority if they want to change local by-laws to allow it.

There are plenty of people taking up motorcycling and many of them are over 24 anyway.

Which bikes had leg protectors fitted as a result of moronic proposals that weren't based on a shred of real evidence?

Answer. None. Because they were moronic proposals that weren't based on a shred of real evidence.

No it isn't. People try to raise their own profiles by proposing all sorts of things. Just because the press sometimes picks this up does not mean that they are moronic proposals that aren't based on a shred of real evidence shafting your motorcycling. Just hot air.

I can remember reading articles in the bike press about the 'death of motorcycling' 30 years ago. I can also suggest that motorcycling is in a far better state now that it was then. We have measurably better equipment to choose and very little has actually changed to what I have to do to ride.

Like crash bungs?

There we go....

DIY
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Fergie,

What would happen in law if you derestricted your bike?
DIY

Good point, because there are no MOT's here ( and it would be very difficult to tell in an MOT what HP a bike produces ) there is very little chance of a de-restricted bike being found out. BUT, the old chestnut of Insurance rears it's ugly head. THEY will of course investigate any accident where a payout is concerned, and if you have a de-restricted then probably, no pay-out, which could leave you with a serious bill !
However, senario, what happens if you go to a bike shop, buy a secondhand R1, use it for a year, bend it, MR insurance comes around, and whoops it's over 106hp, BUT you didn't know that, nor did the dealer, as it was the PO who altered it!
It is for sure a mess, you could argue all the pro's and cons for weeks. Many of the bigger sports bikes are done by the owners, and some even advertise this fact when selling, it's not that difficult, either header washers, restricted in the in-let tracks or mapping.
I really don't know the answer to your question, but the only real chance of being caught would be a technical investigation by the insurance company after an accident.
Fergie

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So the same as any other power mod, then - in which case the insurer would need to prove that the additional power was a contributory factor in the crash.

That might be hard on a bike with a 120 or 140bhp stock, but may be easier on a bike with 180bhp. Second option would be to register a parallel import. and be open about its restriction status. I suspect the requirement is the vehicle must be restricted when sold.

In some European countries the police have mobile dynos to check bikes, usualy scooters for de-restriction.

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I wonder if they have a disclaimer - as we all know if the engine / trans is not in tip tip condition a dyno run can blow it to pieces....

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One of those European countries is the UK.

Avon and Somerset police were doing that last year. Called Operation Torque. Sadly the link I saved for that on the A&S website has expired. (Mention of it here though)

Isn't this ridiculous overkill and poor use of resources for what must be a trivial problem? People are getting assaulted by drunks while they waste time on this.

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DIY

They have you by the gonads ref registering an import. So may Brits having brought their R1's etc over, can't register them, and have to spend money de-restricting / or selling them in the UK. You have to apply to the manufacturer for a certificate of conformity on chassis / engine number, which of course points straight away to being a UK spec and over 106hp.
For peace of mind, you buy a 106hp french ( or what ever country ) registered bike and live with it. I'm happy with the old VFR 750, and I don't know many riders that can handle the max hp of some of to-days modern sports bikes, at least not on public roads. However, freedom to choose if you want / need ,should be available to you, I hope that any threat to hp in the UK is fought hard to retain that freedom.
Fergie

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