Apologies all for my almighty post slicing.
fixitsan wrote:
I was talking about the most recent year or two only, the change is small, sometimes up, sometimes down, and as you say sometimes no change.
No change ? We must be close to ideal if there is no change
So how does that work considering we are investing ever more in road improvements, post crash rescue and care, ever safer cars (which the average person owns)? I ask again, are these additional improvements now a complete waste?
fixitsan wrote:
For the sake of the reader, who I assume is intelligent, they will note that as yet you have given me no statistical proof that road safety in Britain is a huge problem of the sort I often hear being quoted. I noe that you do accept that we don't actually have that much of a road safety problem in the UK which gives me some hope
You “noe” what? I do not accept we don’t have a road safety problem.
What exactly is the biggest killer of today’s 16-20 year olds?
fixitsan wrote:
Oh please explain what size of group is required for what size of noise for there to be a case worth considering.
I’m wise to
tu quoque, it is a method employed to distract the questioner from the fact their questions were not answered.
I see you have dropped your noise comparisons – very wise!
fixitsan wrote:
Today I have referenced some books in a technical library. Reports from ASCE, IMechE, and the SAE. They all conclude that if we are conservative that 75% of accidents are caused by human error.
Is that enough of a noise issue for you? It is for me. And I have to conclude that it makes sense. It is random in occurrence
Yes it is, but unlike quantum effects like radiation or thermal noise, human behaviour can be changed, the error rate can always be reduced. As it is human error is far from zero.
BTW, regular here already know the largest contributing factors to all crashes – inattention (which is of course a form of human error).
fixitsan wrote:
Simply bvecause the accident rate has been improved down to a point where the human factor plays a more important part. Previously we have had no seatbelts, previously we have had poor tyres, previously we have had unreliable vehicles and poor and confusing road markings, and even (dare I say, no speed limit enforcement). Now, all of those things have been rectified and we're doing very well, so much so that we have all run out of things to blame and there's just a few left struggling for things to blame.
Not really true. Not all cars
that the average joe drives have ABS, seatbelts, crumple zones, traction control, airbags (for any or all occupants), deformable steering columns, side impact protection, etc.
What about post crash rescue and care? Has that stopped improving?
What about road layout engineering? Has that suddenly stopped?
fixitsan wrote:
Even with such educational support material and backing, the idiots don't learn.
People will have concentration lapses, girls will put on makeup at the wheel, guys stare someone out for pulling out in fornt of them and so on, these are the ordinary every day distractions which cause the accidents and about the best thing you can do is to either get those fools off the road or failing that just avoid them. Common sense dictates as always
What if we change people attitude to encourage themselves to take steps to eliminate or mitigate against their errors and those from others? How could we affect this….
fixitsan wrote:
We need to blame ourselves as people if we have to. We need to become accountable more, maybe we should even allow insurance comapnies to issue points on licences for when you are at fault in an accident, I bet that would change things somewhat !
Oh, so we’ve not hit the ‘noise floor’!
BTW, I agree with that proposal, although that could have other negative knock on consequences.
fixitsan wrote:
There's a bad driver issue I will have to say that, but people generally do now have the right equipment at their disposal to do a good job at driving without accidents, but somehow we just haven't worked out how !
Again, so there are more gains to be had?
fixitsan wrote:
That would be the figure which shows no change on last year ? The one which says that we have had almost the safest roads in Europe for two years running, I'll gladly include them.
Now, whats the problem ?
Explained above.
Tell me: what do you expect the fatality curve to look like when the focus has recently been shifted towards a significantly detrimental policy working in parallel with the other ongoing improvements, especially as the negative outcome resulting to the detrimental policy becomes comparable to the other positive gains?
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