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It lasts long enough for the cyclist to get out of the way.

But not over the length of the junction, not if both the driver and cyclist set off at the same time

Cyclists never get in my way at advanced stop lines. They just go straight through the red lights.

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Malcolm W.
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Lights make sense. I have lights on my car. The dipped headlights show up the road ahead of me .. including potholes. They also tell another road user I am there on the road with them. I can be seen. They can see me. I can see them .. including the cyclist - but the one who in dark clothes/no lights ist not immediately visible until my dipped lights close in on him. This to me does not give me as much warning of his presence as the one with the lights or reflector und all it need ist some foliage or a pothole he not see for him to have wobble.

I use a light on my bicycle. I can be seen. I can see them. Most importantly the Lupines on my bicycle show up the road ahead of me. This means I can see the dips in the roads.. the potholes, man holes, debris, ice or whatever on road surface on the road ahead of me. It also mean I can see pedestrians, sheep, cattle straying around here too.

Lights are not a whim of the Road Traffic Act of 1988 nor a whim of the Highway Codes across the world. They SAFETY und COURTESY to other people und I will actively urge any policeman to enforce this without any discretion too.

I have never read such apparent daftness as posting up courtesy rules of the Highway Code (old version) in one breath und claiming in next that a driver has to see a cyclist who cannot be bothered to reciprocate such courtesy in the next Think I read this on page 2. Cannot recall who posted this - but he must be a right muppet if he really think that.

Common sense .. pure und simple. Story end of. Light up lycra clad guys und gals!. Care not if you look like a "Christmas tree". We need such trees to brighten up horrid winter months anyway I would rather have a lit up "tree" than a tree hugger anyway. They have such colour

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malcolmw wrote:-



My experience too!

No, not impatience I assure you. I just don't see the logic in a traffic scheme which deliberately brings the slower vehicles to the front of the line.

Several of these have appeared in Norwich over the last few years. Most of the time they're of no significance anyway since so few bicycles seem to be around, but when several cyclists do appear in these advance boxes, the result is less than desirable. Maybe it's just the particular spacing and layout on these junctions, but what I've observed happening is that either the cars have to hold back to follow the bikes, or if the cars are a little slower off the mark they meet up with the bikes just on the far side of the intersection where the road narrows down and there are islands. Either way, it does nothing to improve traffic flow.

Great Yarmouth also has some diabolical cycle lanes which run for 100 yards then disappear, start again 50 yards further odd run for about 25 yards then stop again, etc. There's one stretch of road which has been marked with cycle lanes both sides, but they are ridiculously narrow, and the lane widths left for motor vehicles are now so small than anything larger than a sub-compact has to straddle the bicycle lane anyway.

Conversely, there are also some kamikazi cyclists who try to push their way down a narrow gap between the curb and a car, even when said car has its left signal flashing.

IMHO, a fallen tree or animal or other obstacle has no obligations to make itself known to other road users. However, ALL people (road-users) do have this obligation, both to themselves and other road-users.

And you should only be travelling at a speed where you can stop on your own side of the road within the distance you can see to be clear, otherwise known as an appropriate speed for the conditions.

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