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It is interesting that this is not news on the BBC or ITV or on the front of any newspapers this morning. I can see the police press officers have been working very hard.

Good of Prince Harry who stepped in front of the headlines for that heinous crime of not shooting hen harriers.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 774494.ece

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Acpo appeared to be undertaking a damage-limitation exercise last night by saying that Mr Hughes was already in the process of standing down from his traffic role “to concentrate on other things” before news of the prosecution came to light yesterday. It is thought that he plans to devote more time to his role as spokesman on uniform operations. He took over from Mr Brunstrom last year and would normally have been expected to serve for several years

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“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
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I've just read the Times article! This quote from it"South Yorkshire Police said: “Chief Constable Meredydd Hughes has received a notice of prosecution in respect of an alleged driving offence in North Wales in the early morning of a Bank Holiday Monday in May while on holiday. No summons has yet been received.” looks suspiciously close to timing out for the poor chap's summons!May to nearly November! Wonder if the Police PA machine would have revealed this if the Press hadn't found out till November or later?
Maybe I'm just too sceptical! However as he was on holiday maybe there were other passengers in the car that could have taken turns in driving. We will just have to wait the court case before judging!
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PR559 excellent Paul.


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It's interesting that we all have assumed that he is guilty. I think this is due to the "guaranteed conviction" mentality of automated enforcement.

See how the principles of justice have been warped by this policy.

Hear, hear. And I'm more guilty than most of the assuming thing.

Regret to disagree with Paul, but so far as I am concerned, like the rest of us are treated in speeding offences, he is guilty until he proves himself innocent.

I have absolutely no sympathy for this pious hypocritical charlatan and I hope that given his position of responsibility, to set an example, he gets the most severe sentence that is possible, but we know that won't happen.
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I don't really see any disagreement there. Surely you agree that the vital principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' has been seriously undermined in the dash for cash?

Don't disagree that essential legal principles have been undermined, so let us see Med Hughes suffer from the situation he has helped to create.
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It is interesting that this is not news on the BBC or ITV or on the front of any newspapers this morning. I can see the police press officers have been working very hard.


Much that's been written for press hasn't been printed because Mr Hughes has not yet been found guilty. That's the big factor in keeping it off the front pages.

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Quote from the Times Online:

"An Acpo spokesman suggested that the alleged offence was less serious than it appeared because it took place “at 8am on a multi-lane road”.

Can we create a poll here? Will be be found guilty? Will he be disqualified? Will he be let off completely?

There are precedents for the latter - that is, if you are an MP, JP or PC.

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lol - another quote from the Times Online:

"— In April 2003 his force issued 4,200 speeding tickets. In a six-month period it handed out over 20,000 tickets

— However, it only solved 18 out of 296 burglaries and 41 of 693 vehicle crimes"


If it wasn't so serious, you'd have to laugh! :cry:

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I apparently missed it on GMTV :cry:
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Nick Freeman was on GMTV this morning saying he'd quite happily represent him for free
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You sure it was the Dee valley? Would of thought it was the Ceiriog. Long stretch from the Gledrid Roundabout, accross the border and up the hill into Wales.


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No we're not sure, its just speculation.

I wasn't saying that it was the Dee Valley where he was caught anyway, just that I flew up the Dee Valley the other day, for people who know the route or may have been travelling it at the time.


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Almost certainly up the Ceiriog. Just spoken to my sister-in-law who lives very close to there and she was done doing 70 up that hill ....


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I think we may be talking about the same hill then!


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It is interesting that this is not news on the BBC or ITV or on the front of any newspapers this morning. I can see the police press officers have been working very hard.


Much that's been written for press hasn't been printed because Mr Hughes has not yet been found guilty. That's the big factor in keeping it off the front pages.


Makes you wonder if this Med Hughes story wasn’t dumbed down with other stories such as road pricing of motorways. It looks as thought the establishment are doing what ever they can to keep it low profile. I’m also surprised it wasn’t "covered up" before it got to a NIP being issued.

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You sure it was the Dee valley? Would of thought it was the Ceiriog. Long stretch from the Gledrid Roundabout, accross the border and up the hill into Wales.


Sorry, yes it is the Ceiriog valley the viaduct crosses, not the Dee. Mea culpa. And to think how many times I've driven across it... I was certain it was the Halton cutting, and it's confirmed in today's Daily Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

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Mr Hughes, the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire, is accused of driving at 90mph in a 60mph zone in Halton, North Wales.


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It has just gone through my mind that north wales have waited from May to the end of october to set a court date

Mr Hughes has not receved a summons yet.
assuming it was the early bank holliday that is once again almost the full six months allowed to lay papers with the court

Those of us familliar with the system know that most summonses arrive near the 6th month date.It seams to be a sadistic pleasure of camera units to do this.

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He doesnt need to hire a driver for work related travel , he already has a driver provided.


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... and the reason high ranking police officers are provided with drivers is ...?

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"Stepping down anyway", what a convenient excuse.

BBC article here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7071793.stm


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