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Because like Paul you want to see a problem where none exists. If there was a problem it would be popping up all across the country. It hasn't so there isn't one, its being dealt with appropriately.

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Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

Nope, I don’t think that’s the reason – of course a problem exists. But the problem is more of a very bad principle rather than hordes of people dying every day. I think the reason for denying the problem is, as you say, we manage to cope with it.

Because we cope doesn’t mean the (ambiguous) rule is ok.

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It's tricky doing nothing - you never know when you're finished

Exactly. We're putting a 'green light' in the mind of two road users competing for the same road space.

I'm absolutely baffled that some intelligent posters can't see the problem. It is blindingly obvious to me.

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Paul Smith
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Oh don't give me that old guff .

I can't see the problem because there isn't one. Drivers are dealing with the issue admirably using the intelligence you are more than ready to credit them with in other situations.

The bottom line is you object to the request to let buses pull out and have reverse engineered a problem to justify your objection. And as an intelligent poster, THAT is all that is blindingly obvious to me with regards this issue.

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Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

No, bus lanes are not a totally separate matter. In many cases they are the cause of the "them and us" mentality that prevents people from wanting to let busses out in the first place.

An old schoolfriend of mine started driving some time before I did, before that we'd both used the bus regularly for years and years, we both thought it was perfectly reasonable to let a bus out, they were usually full of people who needed to be somewhere and hell, being on a bus was annoying enough already without having the experience lengthened just so two youngsters in a Mk1 Nissan Micra could get to Birkenhead a little quicker. Even the "please let my bus out" sticker just seemed like a friendly request.

Then one day the main road (a 2-lane 30mph dual carriageway) into Birkenhead sprouted a bus lane. At rush hour that road still flowed reasonably well, it was basically at full capacity, and coping. After the bus lane that route became hell, congested, slow and frustrating. We both worked in Liverpool so didn't really have much choice but to use it as the previous bus-train-bus trip to work was making us regularly late.

The next time we encountered a bus wanting to pull out of a stop, what did my friend (who is one of the nicest politest guys your could meet. Hell he drove that Micra by choice, when most of our mates drove Novas and Escorts) do, he turns around to me and says "f**k him. He's got a bus lane now he doesn't need my help" and accelerated.

And that's where it all starts to go wrong, since the council respond with more "bus priority measures" that piss off even more people and so the spiral continues.


And if anyone saw Top Gear earlier with Hammond on that bicycle, I don't really think you can claim that bus drivers are saints. I think I'd rather have that car, even if it is the slowest (actually I lie, I'd rather have that speedboat)