Mad Moggie wrote:
fixitsan wrote:
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Chris .. we have to challenge folk and I hope we will never see legislation of the sort which will give Adolf Hitler a victory long after his death. Such a treaty would seriously undermine why we wear poppies at this time of the year.
I appreciate all of yoru comments but I must pick up especially on this one.
Hoping will not change the path f what has begun now with us entering Europe.
The recent discussion about the 6th treaty which forced Brown to change the whcih veto's we were going to lose and whcih we could keep has been said by Mandelson to ammount to the same thing. He should know, he writes the plans in that respect.
We have just about signed away the last right to veto compulsory entry in our national entity , to the European Union. More clearly perhaps, at the moment we need to do two things in order to leave the EU, and only two.
The first is to hold a referendum, and the second is to repeal the Act of parliament covering our entry into the common market, from the 1970's. The 6th treaty has the ability to take away from us the right to repeal our acts of parliament to such a degree that we have no more say , and that complete dissolution into the EU constitution is the only predictable outcome.
Why don't you hear about it, you might wonder. There are many high profile stories in the news so that suggests that the news media 'works'. I know it's cranky to suggest that some of the stories could be made to be deliberately protracted to keep the attention of the public away from the politics behind the scenes, but it really can appear to be happening that way sometimes.
Here's a few collected facts, take note of the one which will ban the UK independence party because under EU law it is illegal to criticise the EU
Our Westminster Parliament immediately becomes pointess as its remaining powers are transferred to Europe.
It is the formal end of Britain and England as nations.
Britain's 153 embassies around the world will be closed as the ink from the Queen's signature dries. (As Tony Blair refused to admit this has been agreed to, Jose Zapatero, the Prime Minister of Spain, confirmed it in a February 2005 radio broadcast.)
After the EU abolishes our 48 counties your address will change from 4 High St, Taunton, Somerset, Great Britain, to 4 High St, Taunton, Area K, European Union. (The glorious EU county "The South West Region" has had the postal address "Area K" assigned for over a decade.)
The Official National Anthem of the EU, which you should have known since 1971 is based on the melody "Ode to Joy" by Beethoven, formally replaces God save the Queen. The EU flag replaces the Union Jack, the red, blue and white nautical ensigns etc. (The EU Commission has already ordered (24.11.2005) our Merchant Navy to fly the EU flag in place of the red Ensign.)
The EU takes ownership and command of our Police, Army, Royal Navy, RAF, nuclear weapons, currency reserves, North Sea Oil. (See the EU Constitution below)
Serving officers in our police, army, navy and air force already know they will have to take an oath to the EU instead of to the Queen. If they don't many have been told they will be dismissed. The EU will have complete military control of the UK.
The UK Independence Party will be banned under the 1999 ruling of the European court of Justice case c274/99, where it was held that it is illegal to criticise the EU.
The Conservative, Labour and Lib-dem parties will be abolished (only pan EU parties like the EPP or PES are allowed -see clause I.46.4 of the EU Constitution). It will then be blindingly obvious to even the dumbest politician there is no reason to keep Westmister open, and that the EU has the legal right to close it.
Many people will be excluded from the jobs they know best, as the EU's demand that you must pay to be re-taught the job, and pay for a certificate before you can be employed, becomes universal.
Hundreds of thousands more small businesses will close on the enforcement of the remaining 100,000 EU regulations our government has already passed. Several million will be permanently unemployed as a result.
We will all be criminalised by the 107,000 regulations. Its impossible to know or understand 107,000 regulations, and the poor can't possibly afford to comply. We will all be subject to frequent fines and arrest as a result. Here are just 4 examples:
Under EU regulations it is now illegal for you to repair your plumbing, electrics or your car (from 1st January 2006). If you buy a boat over six feet long, built after the EU Recreational Craft Directive of 1999, and don't pay the EU £4,000 to "measure" the boat, you get 6 months imprisonment. We will live under permanent threat of arrest and fear of the knock at the door that takes us away.
Massive corporations will do well, but with huge immigration allowed from the EU, they'll be able to pay minimum wage everywhere, not just in the provinces as they do now. If you don't accept the minimum they'll employ a Pole or a Czekoslovakian.
Big corporations will also have a near monopoly (with the government) on employment and will be able to dictate unfavourable terms to staff without fear of contradiction.
Plum government jobs and corruption will ensure the wealth of politicians, bureaucrats, their businesses and associates at all levels of government, including local government and amongst our 7000+ quangos.
Society will divide into two: the remaining 60% of us will be either unemployed or treated abysmally on minimum wage.
Taxes will rise more steeply to pay for the even larger explosion in government growth and corruption
There will be no redress through local democracy because there won't be any. The nine UK regional governments, which replace our 48 counties and councillors, will be unelected (see the European Regionisation plan). Our only vote is to the powerless EU parliament. We will be ruled by the 25 unelected Commisssioners, and have have no redress at any level; we will be as poor but have less freedom than Soviet Citizens.
If we demonstrate or protest we can be be seized and relocated to another region. The EU Arrest Warrant and Civil Contingencies Act 2004, with 20 other oppressive Acts the Queen has signed between 1972 and 2005, give the government absolute power over us. They can shoot us if they wish with no legal comeback - the shootings of innocents Philip Prout and Jean de Menezes were entirely legal under EU law.
The tendancy to pick on Muslims, as Germany used to pick on Jews, has already begun. Europe will be a very nasty place.
How long will the EU last?
Eventually, perhaps 15 years down the track, Europe will collapse under the weight of its own corruption, bureaucracy, and regulations. There will be so few productive businesses that even at 100% tax rates we will not be able to support the massive, corrupt and wasteful government. Many of us will be starving in the lead up to the collapse. After the collapse we may be able to leave the EU, if a dictator has not taken advantage of the complete absence of democratic checks and balances by seizing power. The Constitution of the EU is similar to the Soviet Union's. That dictator is free to choose between a Soviet or Nazi style government. Then it could take 70 years to break free.
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) for jay-walking, crossing on a "red man", loitering on a zebra and they will chuck you in jail if you walk across a fast road as well. (Mind you they fine for flushing the loo after 11 pm if in a block of flats and there are some odd laws about hanging out washing, using power tools in the garden and even washing the car on a Sunday 
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