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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 19:49 
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Just in case you thought that camera vans had disappeared...and more:

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NEWSFLASH, traffic cops in 'doing their job' shocker!

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UNDERCOVER traffic police are patrolling the roads in the county to catch drivers flouting the law...

the latest weapon is the use of undercover police for the first time who have been patrolling for the past two months to target anti-social drivers.


I don't understand why this is news. :? The tone of the piece is a bit odd too.

Isn't this what trafpol used to do before they were all replaced by cameras? The story suggests this is some amazing, brilliant new idea, when in actual fact it's merely a small step in the right direction, as well as something they should have been doing all along anyway!

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You are right about the tone of the piece. Does it mean that the Camera Partnership are paying the police from their (now more flexibly distributable) income to do their normal job? Is it a sneaky way to divert previously unavailable funds to the police?

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It doesn't make sense either.
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In the past six months nearly 2,000 drivers have been stopped for jumping red lights, 4,600 motorists have been caught by mobile safety cameras and nearly 20,000 have been captured by fixed cameras.

Officers have caught 114 motorists as part of Operation Roadsafe, which includes 30 seatbelt offences, 23 mobile phone offences and 12 people who were driving without insurance or a licence.

Who stopped the 2,000 red light jumpers if officers only caught 114 motorists?

Is it just a badly written article with overlapping time frames or what? :?

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similar story in southampton...
http://www.thisissouthampton.co.uk/disp ... rivers.php
"Nearly 50 people have been arrested for crimes such as drug possession, burglary and drink-driving."

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MrsMiggins wrote:
It doesn't make sense either.
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In the past six months nearly 2,000 drivers have been stopped for jumping red lights, 4,600 motorists have been caught by mobile safety cameras and nearly 20,000 have been captured by fixed cameras.

Officers have caught 114 motorists as part of Operation Roadsafe, which includes 30 seatbelt offences, 23 mobile phone offences and 12 people who were driving without insurance or a licence.

Who stopped the 2,000 red light jumpers if officers only caught 114 motorists?

Is it just a badly written article with overlapping time frames or what? :?


No, I see where the problem is. "The nearly 2,000 drivers were stopped for jumping red lights." They were probably not stopped but perhaps recorded by red light cameras.

The 114 motorists were nicked under Operation Roadsafe, which is -presumably- a separate scheme to the red light operation.

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But red light cameras are safety cameras.

Flippin' journalists...mutter...mutter...

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MrsMiggins wrote:
It doesn't make sense either.
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In the past six months nearly 2,000 drivers have been stopped for jumping red lights, 4,600 motorists have been caught by mobile safety cameras and nearly 20,000 have been captured by fixed cameras.

Officers have caught 114 motorists as part of Operation Roadsafe, which includes 30 seatbelt offences, 23 mobile phone offences and 12 people who were driving without insurance or a licence.

Who stopped the 2,000 red light jumpers if officers only caught 114 motorists?

Is it just a badly written article with overlapping time frames or what? :?


It just goes to show something

In 6 months officers felt 114 drivers were so awful at the task at hand that they had to be stopped, spoken to and punished. They may have stopped and given an earful to some more. In the mean time, the cash cams felt that 20,000 drivers needed punishing - the police evidently didn't agree but 20,000 motorists still ended up with points on their license, an increase in insurance and fines, all for something the police mostly didn't agree with (as far more than 114 would have been stopped otherwise!)


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It certainly sounds as if camera partnership funds are being spent on other aspects of road safety. This is clearly a move in the right direction.

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anton wrote:
similar story in southampton...
http://www.thisissouthampton.co.uk/disp ... rivers.php
"Nearly 50 people have been arrested for crimes such as drug possession, burglary and drink-driving."


Not sure how ANPR is going to help in arresting for those crimes unless the vehicle is registered to known offenders with outstanding warrants.

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"Before this it was pure luck and a case of getting a feeling about a car, pulling it over and then doing a full check," explained PC Mark Bailey


With the reliance on technology, the "I got a feeling about that car" incidences will fall and many more will get away. How many first conviction serious criminals have been caught because a trafpol had a feeling about the car?

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R1Nut wrote:
anton wrote:
similar story in southampton...
http://www.thisissouthampton.co.uk/disp ... rivers.php
"Nearly 50 people have been arrested for crimes such as drug possession, burglary and drink-driving."


Not sure how ANPR is going to help in arresting for those crimes unless the vehicle is registered to known offenders with outstanding warrants.

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"Before this it was pure luck and a case of getting a feeling about a car, pulling it over and then doing a full check," explained PC Mark Bailey


With the reliance on technology, the "I got a feeling about that car" incidences will fall and many more will get away. How many first conviction serious criminals have been caught because a trafpol had a feeling about the car?


That's true. And didn't Peter Sutcliffe get arrested by a traffic officer who felt there was something amiss?

Of course, there's another reason why criminals get nicked for drugs, burglaries, etc., as well as traffic and motoring violations. If you sell drugs, burgle houses, mug people, con pensioners, etc., etc., you are not going to get into a panic over the fact that you 'forgot' to get an MOT, did not pay your car tax or haven't got a licence!

There was story about a robber who got away with a lot for many years before he was eventually caught. They asked him how he had done it?

Easy, he told them. Always wear a smart suit and look clean and presentable. And make sure that everything you own is legal. TV licence, drivers licence, car tax, MOT up-to-date, etc.

Thank god most of them are too stupid to think like him! :D

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