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http://www.kentnews.co.uk/kent-news/Spe ... t7742.aspx

Speed camera tickets more than double in decade

The number of tickets given to motorists caught by speed cameras in Kent has more than doubled since 1997, government figures show.

And the controversial devices last year raked in nearly three times the amount they made sicne a decade ago in the county.

Home Office figures released this week showed that motorists in England and Wales are landed with nearly two million speeding tickets every year.

Defending the statistics, the Government insisted that speed cameras saved lives and cut serious injuries on the roads.

But motoring groups have attacked the safety claims, saying they are flawed. They say speed cameras are being used just to make money.

The figures published this week show the Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership dished out 28,706 speeding tickets in 1997. At £40 each, the fines were worth £1,148,240.

But by 2005, the number of tickets had gone up to 53,289. Each cost drivers £60 - generating a massive £3,197,340 in all.

And the partnership told the Saturday Observer that last year it issued 70,265 tickets - worth £4,215,900.

A spokesman for the Department for Transport said: “Independent research shows a 42 per cent reduction in the number of people killed or seriously injured at camera sites - that means more than 100 fewer deaths each year.”

But Paul Smith, from campaign group Safe Speed, said: “The implied claim that cameras are responsible for the observed reduction is wholly falsified by the very same independent research."

Mr Smith added: “Speed cameras have been a road safety disaster. Despite millions of fines each year we have not even seen the road safety improvements that we expected.”

Roger Lawson, Kent spokesman for the Association for British Drivers, backed Safe Speed’s claims.

“If there is a fatal accident once a year, they put in a camera and next year when there is no fatal accident at that spot, they claim it was down to the camera.

“Fatal accidents are so random they rarely happen in exactly the same place.”

Mr Smith said there were 3,175 road deaths in 2006, which he claimed was around 1,200 more than what they should be if the cameras were doing their job.

“They should all be scrapped now,” he said. “The Government has had 15 years of them and it has been proved time and again they are not working. The DfT quite clearly knows they are a failed road safety policy.”

However, former Transport Minister Steve Ladyman, Labour MP for South Thanet, gave his full backing to the cameras.

Dr Ladyman, who used to have nine points on his licence after being snapped by speed cameras twice on the M2 and once on the A2, said: “There is no excuse for being caught. Drive at the speed limit which is clearly displayed.

"The speed cameras and speed limits do work. We have the safest roads in the world. They reduce deaths and serious injury.

"There are not too many speed cameras in Kent or in the country. They are only placed in black spots where there has been a history of fatal or serious accidents."

Rachel Wall, communications manager, for the Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership said: “Since July 2002 there has been a 58.3 per cent reduction in deaths and serious injuries at camera sites, which is excellent news.”

Set up in 2002, the partnership is made up of Kent County Council, Medway Council, the Highways Agency, Kent Police, and Her Majesty’s Courts Service.

The partnership stressed that not all fines issued were actually paid. Some drivers opted to take speed awareness classes instead, while others, including some foreign motorists, dodged the system and didn’t pay.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 03:37 
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Rachel Wall, communications manager, for the Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership said: “Since July 2002 there has been a 58.3 per cent reduction in deaths and serious injuries at camera sites, which is excellent news.”


Malfeasance Miss Wall!


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Rachel Wall, communications manager, for the Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership said: “Since July 2002 there has been a 58.3 per cent reduction in deaths and serious injuries at camera sites, which is excellent news.”


Malfeasance Miss Wall!


Gross dishonesty anyway.

I was in a radio studio with her and her boss discussing speed camera statistics (live on air) well over three years ago. RTTM was extensively discussed. They had been promised at the time that the forthcoming third year report (published summer 2004) would include RTTM estimates. It didn't. But they sure understood the problem.

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Rachel Wall, communications manager, for the Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership said: “Since July 2002 there has been a 58.3 per cent reduction in deaths and serious injuries at camera sites, which is excellent news.”


Malfeasance Miss Wall!


Gross dishonesty anyway.

I was in a radio studio with her and her boss discussing speed camera statistics (live on air) well over three years ago. RTTM was extensively discussed. They had been promised at the time that the forthcoming third year report (published summer 2004) would include RTTM estimates. It didn't. But they sure understood the problem.

This might be what irks me the most.

Largely thanks to Paul's efforts, there is no doubt in my mind that the SCP spokespeople know all about RTTM and it's significance (unless their PR staff are utterly incompetent), yet they continue to mislead the public with the same lies.

This continued deception can only be a deliberate act - it is an act of deception.

They are gaining financial benefit from their deception - that is FRAUD!

Moreover, they are wrongfully (not forgetting purposefully) causing a needless misdirection of already scarce resource away from effective policy/policing (SS link) - that is sick!

They are sick fraudsters!

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RobinXe wrote:
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Rachel Wall, communications manager, for the Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership said: “Since July 2002 there has been a 58.3 per cent reduction in deaths and serious injuries at camera sites, which is excellent news.”


Malfeasance Miss Wall!

Pah!! Useless devices... The "Camera That Never Was" in Smithfield St., Shrewsbury, managed better than 75% reduction. :-)

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Rachel Wall, communications manager, for the Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership said: “Since July 2002 there has been a 58.3 per cent reduction in deaths and serious injuries at camera sites, which is excellent news.”


Malfeasance Miss Wall!

Pah!! Useless devices... The "Camera That Never Was" in Smithfield St., Shrewsbury, managed better than 75% reduction. :-)


Would that be Smithfield Road? Alongside the Severn? Where there has never been a camera in the 22 years I have lived in Shrewsbury? :P


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That's the one... I've posted the following excerpt from the "Shropshire Star" on several occasions because I find it really funny that the "spokesperson" from the partnership appears to shoot them firmly in the foot by not noticing the import of what their report actually means.

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Site problems knock out speedtrap plan (30-Sep-2005)

A new speed camera will not be installed on a road which has been branded Shropshire's most dangerous after safety chiefs revealed they were scrapping the plan because of problems with finding a site.

Bosses from West Mercia Safety Camera Partnership have admitted defeat on Smithfield Road in Shrewsbury, because road engineers have been unable to find a suitable location after nearly two years of trying.

But despite the news, the camera partnership today said the number of accidents on the 30mph road had dramatically fallen over the last three years.

At a meeting in March last year camera boss Trevor McAvoy said Smithfield Road had the worst collision record in Shropshire.

He said it eclipsed the A5 and A49 with 65 accidents, seven of them serious, during 1999 to 2001.

But over the last three years there have been just 16 crashes causing injuries, with one serious collision, partnership spokeswoman Vicki Bristow said today.


So, you can see from their figures that a camera that was never installed achieved a >75% reduction in accidents, ie it is pure RTTM. It's the nearest thing I've seen to a genuine control site.

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