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You may end up in the hospital I've just been in. Minor op and had to call wife to come get me out the fecking place. Surgeons say one thing, nursing staff seemed not to agree. Nurses tell me stuff all as well, like I have room temperature IQ. Just to test 'em asked one taking my blood pressure if it was up to normal levels yet. Oh yeah, she goes, just about. **** off - I can see the bloody machine says 104 over 56. No medical expert, but do know that's still low. After this outrageous peice of bullshit blood pressure began to rise quite nicely thank you very much! Sorry nothing to do with roads, but far scarier in there than outside. Oh, and the bloody car park exit seems designed to cause carshes, presumably to keep A&E busy. :roll:

Limited to standing up or lying down at the moment. Sitting not an option for very long. (Cordless keyboad and mouse handy though, but can't tell what I'm typing from here as I can't see the screen). Catching up by pointing monitor to the ceieling and making BIG text. Posts will suck big time for next week or two though until I can sit properly. (NO it wasn't for a bad case of the farmer giles BTW)

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Like first nurse doing the assessments, SHO, anaesthetist if that's how you spell it (the song's wrong, the drugs do work, trust me, though waking up was like getting drunk in reverse), and surgical registrar, all of whom were good at telling what's going on and what's going to happen next. Oh and district nurse (after hospital had phoned the wronf district nurse from adjoining area duw to confusion over my telephone STD code)

Do not like the inept cleaning staff and their blood stained toilet seats, the scary/rude/patronising ward nurses, or the apparent lack of communication and instrucations not passed on from surgical registrar bloke & team to junior ward staff (not old enough to remember matrons but think they would not have allowed such cock ups). Also did not like five stabs at finding a vein for canula, though suspect my veins to blame. Now got arms like a heroin addict though. Did not like having to answer same set of questions about 7 times, or theatre nurse chewing gum. Jeez, have some sense of ****ing professinoalism. Most especially did not like being treated as if my IQ was the same as my collar size and having to phone my wife and ask her to come in and beat the answers out of them. Did not much like nurse who began to yank old dressing and packing off without any warning (was supposed to be soaked off in the bath). Would very much like to have hauled off and smacked him one, but difficult to do lying face down. Had to settle for swearing vilely.

Fairly sure my medical record now say "Do not treat this man, difficult bastard" :wink:

If I ever have a car crash near that place I'll take my chances walking to the next hospaital. :x

Sorry for very off topic rant, but needed cathatriic venting of anger onto keyboard. Sorry for typos too, but can't spell check as I type.

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I always go private nowadays :!:

NHS, i wish their was an opt out for the contributions.

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I always go private nowadays :!:

NHS, i wish their was an opt out for the contributions.

And if you find you have a long-term chronic or degenerative condition, or pretty much any kind of mental illness, your private insurers will run a mile rather than treat you.

And if you get smashed up in a road crash and rushed to hospital, I don't imagine BUPA will be paying for that either.

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My wife works as an intensive care nurse for heart patients, and is also currently studying part-time for her Masters Degree in Critical Care.

Her normal place of work is a hospital which was (controversially) privately owned but part-funded by public money. It has since been bought over entirely by national government. Most of its work was contracted to it by the NHS, so it was only a matter of time before it became NHS controlled!

As part of her studies she has also completed placements in two entirely NHS hospitals, and she has seen the vast difference in priorities between private, ex-private and NHS care.

I work in state education and I have also seen the same comparison. State controlled provisions are ALWAYS about cost (the lowest possible, and then some more off for good measure) before quality. Value for money doesn't even come into it.

Not unlike the "safety" cameras - which provide little or no real safety benefit (in all probability a detriment) but are self funding from government's point of view - so that's all OK then....

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I always go private nowadays :!:

NHS, i wish their was an opt out for the contributions.

And if you find you have a long-term chronic or degenerative condition, or pretty much any kind of mental illness, your private insurers will run a mile rather than treat you. And if you get smashed up in a road crash and rushed to hospital, I don't imagine BUPA will be paying for that either.


The opt out would cover that, and victims would be left to crawl into the bushes without public help!

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You may end up in the hospital I've just been in. Minor op and had to call wife to come get me out the fecking place.


You sound like you've been through the mill, Gatsobait. I had a similar experience in Feb, when I was left on a gurney in casualty for 6 hours, X-rayed, jabbed, chucked into a taxi and told to make my own way home, despite having my chest stoved in and not being able to walk more than 4 steps.

Luckily, at home I had a fridge full of strong lager, which drowned the pain a bit but it was still the worst night of my entire life. And I got off easy - the other bloke in the car spent two months in traction in a hospital bed with a stainless steel pin right through through his leg and coming out at both sides. Arghhh. He still can't walk properly, after nearly a year.

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Sorry to hear about your bad experience G-B, if you need further hospital treatment I can recommend the Queens Medical Centre (Nottm.) just spent a brief spell in there this weekend. (spend quite a bit of time in there actually)
Treatment/staff cannot be praised more highly, but must say their discharge system is badly in need of an overhaul.
My past experiences of the QMC were slightly marred by my short stay there this time as I spent the first 4hrs on a trolley in A&E, this was due in part to an error by porters, (great guys really) but the care/attention by the nurses and doctors could not be better, taking into account that I had to answer the same set of questions 7 times to different nurses/doctors/specialists/surgeons etc (hmm, same as you then, must be the 'norm'?) but they have to get things right or you may end up getting something chopped off that you shouldn't. :shock: :wink:
So, 4hrs to be admitted, not too bad I suppose.

Anyway, discharge..........at 4-00pm I was told that a blood test would be taken 'shortly', the results would be back within an hour, and if satisfactory I'd be off home......6-00pm blood test taken..... 8-00pm, I was told I could go, but would have to wait for my prescription, (about 10 mins !) 9-00pm, still waiting, was told "Another 10mins and you'll be on your way", 10-00pm, kicked up a stink and finally 'escaped' at 10-15pm !

So, my 'only' criticism is with the kicking out procedure, maybe they shouldn't say too much in advance, if I'd been told "you can go home shortly, but we cannot give you a specific time" it would have been more acceptable.

All in all, QMC, great place to be in when you need the finest medical attention available, but a difficult place to get out of at times.


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Gatsobait wrote:
You may end up in the hospital I've just been in. Minor op and had to call wife to come get me out the fecking place. Surgeons say one thing, nursing staff seemed not to agree. Nurses tell me stuff all as well, like I have room temperature IQ. Just to test 'em asked one taking my blood pressure if it was up to normal levels yet. Oh yeah, she goes, just about. **** off - I can see the bloody machine says 104 over 56. No medical expert, but do know that's still low.


I see you met one of Blair's pretend nurses! :roll: You give them any instruction and they muff it up. :roll:

it is otherwise known as spin. They tell you they have increased nursing staff. I keep telling 'em I want quality not quantity! :evil:


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. Oh, and the bloody car park exit seems designed to cause carshes, presumably to keep A&E busy. :roll:


Nah - that's designed to keep me here! :wink:

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Limited to standing up or lying down at the moment.

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:


Sounds :evil: :twisted: Think can guess what you were treated for. It will pass - soon.


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Like first nurse doing the assessments, SHO, anaesthetist if that's how you spell it (the song's wrong, the drugs do work, trust me, though waking up was like getting drunk in reverse), and surgical registrar, all of whom were good at telling what's going on and what's going to happen next. Oh and district nurse (after hospital had phoned the wronf district nurse from adjoining area duw to confusion over my telephone STD code)


Sounds about right from admin - dialling the wrong number and getting the wrong nurse. :roll:

management is not much better either!

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Do not like the inept cleaning staff and their blood stained toilet seats, the scary/rude/patronising ward nurses, or the apparent lack of communication and instrucations not passed on from surgical registrar bloke & team to junior ward staff (not old enough to remember matrons but think they would not have allowed such cock ups).


Sounds like you got the pretend ones and agency ones in your hospital.

We have a problem retaining decent nurses in the NHS.......it is called government investment and spending on wrong things -like managers who cannot manage!

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Also did not like five stabs at finding a vein for canula, though suspect my veins to blame. Now got arms like a heroin addict though. Did not like having to answer same set of questions about 7 times, or theatre nurse chewing gum. Jeez, have some sense of ****ing professinoalism. Most especially did not like being treated as if my IQ was the same as my collar size and having to phone my wife and ask her to come in and beat the answers out of them. Did not much like nurse who began to yank old dressing and packing off without any warning (was supposed to be soaked off in the bath). Would very much like to have hauled off and smacked him one, but difficult to do lying face down. Had to settle for swearing vilely.


Amazing how you lose your brains when in a hospital bed. I have bollocked staff before now for attitude.

Which hospital was this? Sounds like a right carry-on! Chewing gum is supposed to stop your eyes watering when peeling onions - but cannot see how this works for dealing with patients's wounds.

I'd write a letter of complaint about it when you feel better - and sent copy to the Secretary of State as well! Notify the papers too.

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Fairly sure my medical record now say "Do not treat this man, difficult bastard" :wink:

If I ever have a car crash near that place I'll take my chances walking to the next hospaital. :x


Sounds like they probably had your card marked as such before they treated you! You been upsetting the dragon receptionist at the GP's surgery? :roll:

I think twice when I see the GP with the kids. One knows who I am and simpers gratifyingly. His new one had no idea and talked down to me. Tried to tell me that the kids did not have some lurgy even! I cannot treat my own kids believe it or not - cannot prescribe and have to go through same channels as everyone else.

She was not amused when Wildy launched into one her "Liebchen" rants either! :roll:

Still - she was stunned when our GP eventually saw us - and overruled her 4 day wait for an appointment! :lol:

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And if you find you have a long-term chronic or degenerative condition, or pretty much any kind of mental illness, your private insurers will run a mile rather than treat you.

And if you get smashed up in a road crash and rushed to hospital, I don't imagine BUPA will be paying for that either.


Do not have BUPA or private medical insurance.

However, if we could opt out of the NHS, i would have :!:

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Ta all. Was only supposed to be brief drug/outrage induced rant to get it all off me chest. Hanbo, if only Notts QMC was local. Unfortunately I ended up back to square one on Monday. District nurse came out to do dressings on op-site... found me covered in claret and triple nined me right back to the bloody hospital. :( :cry: :evil:

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You sound like you've been through the mill, Gatsobait. I had a similar experience in Feb, when I was left on a gurney in casualty for 6 hours, X-rayed, jabbed, chucked into a taxi and told to make my own way home, despite having my chest stoved in and not being able to walk more than 4 steps.
No mate. Not quite as bad I'd say if you're talking about your nutter in transit incident. Still, not been a barrel of laughs the last few days. Better now since Mrs Gatsobait came back from the pharmacist. [Homer voice]Mmmmm tramadol[/Homer voice]

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I see you met one of Blair's pretend nurses! :roll: You give them any instruction and they muff it up. :roll:
Might be. There were some about dressed like nurses but the name badge said carer or something. There still seems to be sisters, and someone called a blue star which I'm told is kinda matronish, but without the Kenneth Williams voice i can't help doing whenever I say matron. Why blue star? No idea, sounds like a breakdown service to me. Green Flag's competition or something.

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Sounds :evil: :twisted: Think can guess what you were treated for. It will pass - soon.
To do with the hirsute qualities of my posterior I'm told. Sure that tells' you exactly what I went in for and what I came out with. Need an OW smiley. Emotowcon. Hahahah.

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We have a problem retaining decent nurses in the NHS.......it is called government investment and spending on wrong things -like managers who cannot manage!
Problem keeping the fecking place clean as well. You're the lurgy and infectious yuk guy, lemme ask you... ward full of people walking in and out over the floor, some of whom coughing and spluttering nicely (I know what the S stands for in MRSA and where the little bugger likes to live usually). Cleaners not been round yet. Say a clean sheet ends up on the deck. Should it then be used on bed or should a different sheet be used? How about a bllodstained bit of dressing ending up on floor. Okay, I'd had blood test so presumably they knew I didn't have anything scary in there, but still you'd think that someone would have given the floor a bit of a wipe with some dettol or something. Haf expecting to have man with a bucket of leeches turn up.

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Which hospital was this? Sounds like a right carry-on! Chewing gum is supposed to stop your eyes watering when peeling onions - but cannot see how this works for dealing with patients's wounds.
Not a carry-on . No sign of Hattie Jacques, that's how I knew the difference. Was Frinley, where Prince Edward's missus had her ankle biter. In fairness I have to say that maternity there has very good rep, and many of the staff very good as I said before. And nurses and doctor at A&E when I got rushed back in were very good. Told me what was going on, warned me when they were going to do something painful (like squirting silver nitrate into op site... :shock: surprised myself with my language). Bit odd seeing army doctors running about the place though. Didn't know wheterh to bleed or salute.

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I'd write a letter of complaint about it when you feel better - and sent copy to the Secretary of State as well! Notify the papers too.
Have made copious notes. Not decied what to do with 'em yet, but Gatsobait has his bastard head on.

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Gatsobait - I completely forgot to wish you a speedy recovery and really hope and pray you are OK despite visiting the hospital from hell!

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I see you met one of Blair's pretend nurses! :roll: You give them any instruction and they muff it up. :roll:
Might be. There were some about dressed like nurses but the name badge said carer or something. There still seems to be sisters, and someone called a blue star which I'm told is kinda matronish, but without the Kenneth Williams voice i can't help doing whenever I say matron. Why blue star? No idea, sounds like a breakdown service to me. Green Flag's competition or something.


They come out with all this gibberish. It's all pure spin. The teachers in this family tell us the pretty much the smae thing as well. :roll:

Carers are the most useless of all. I have a number of unbelievable arguments about this in my role as "consultant wally" Buit NHS managers come from under the same stone as all other Gauleiter.

Inept, daft and very "pppeeeeeee ceeeeeeeee! " :roll: :twisted: :evil:

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Sounds :evil: :twisted: Think can guess what you were treated for. It will pass - soon.
To do with the hirsute qualities of my posterior I'm told. Sure that tells' you exactly what I went in for and what I came out with. Need an OW smiley. Emotowcon. Hahahah.


:wink: It will pass! You'll be fine - honest!

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We have a problem retaining decent nurses in the NHS.......it is called government investment and spending on wrong things -like managers who cannot manage!
Problem keeping the fecking place clean as well. You're the lurgy and infectious yuk guy, lemme ask you... ward full of people walking in and out over the floor, some of whom coughing and spluttering nicely (I know what the S stands for in MRSA and where the little bugger likes to live usually). Cleaners not been round yet. Say a clean sheet ends up on the deck. Should it then be used on bed or should a different sheet be used? How about a bllodstained bit of dressing ending up on floor. Okay, I'd had blood test so presumably they knew I didn't have anything scary in there, but still you'd think that someone would have given the floor a bit of a wipe with some dettol or something. Haf expecting to have man with a bucket of leeches turn up.


If they are not using clean bedding - report it

Same applies to the dressings..

There is no excuse for "slap-dash" It only takes a second to use the wipes and the wash in any case. The cost of not doing so escalates.

Disinfectant wash stations and wipes are not that expensive. I'd write a letter to yoyur NHS and rais merry hell about it. Someone somewhere is cutting coners and not heeding the code of practice. :roll:



I have invested heavily in antiseptic clean stations in all the hospitals under the the lurgy department here.

I have issued codes of practice to kill MRSA as far as we can up here.

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Which hospital was this? Sounds like a right carry-on! Chewing gum is supposed to stop your eyes watering when peeling onions - but cannot see how this works for dealing with patients's wounds.
Not a carry-on . No sign of Hattie Jacques, that's how I knew the difference. Was Frinley, where Prince Edward's missus had her ankle biter. In fairness I have to say that maternity there has very good rep, and many of the staff very good as I said before. And nurses and doctor at A&E when I got rushed back in were very good. Told me what was going on, warned me when they were going to do something painful (like squirting silver nitrate into op site... :shock: surprised myself with my language). Bit odd seeing army doctors running about the place though. Didn't know wheterh to bleed or salute.


We always tell folks if it wil hurt a bit. It is usually kinder to let them know rather than dupe them into thinking all will be painless. :roll:

If you expect soemthing to sting a bit - you psychologically prepare. The wait and antipation of pain is usually worset han actual in any case. If you dounbt me - think back to a dental appointement or the wait outside the head's office. Imagination is far worse than reality!

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I'd write a letter of complaint about it when you feel better - and sent copy to the Secretary of State as well! Notify the papers too.
Have made copious notes. Not decied what to do with 'em yet, but Gatsobait has his bastard head on.


All Trusts are different. Mine likes to be aware so that we can improve where we can.

But we are the North and less hectic than the South/South East anyway! :wink:

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Gatsobait - I completely forgot to wish you a speedy recovery and really hope and pray you are OK despite visiting the hospital from hell!
Cheers mate. Much appreciated. Feet sore from stadning so much, as well as back from surgery. But not too bad. I have stroonger wacky pills now. Can you to ask Wildy what tramadol is oing in my brain, as it feels like I have a permanent nicotine rush? Just out of interest.

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Gatsobait - I completely forgot to wish you a speedy recovery and really hope and pray you are OK despite visiting the hospital from hell!
Cheers mate. Much appreciated. Feet sore from stadning so much, as well as back from surgery. But not too bad. I have stroonger wacky pills now. Can you to ask Wildy what tramadol is oing in my brain, as it feels like I have a permanent nicotine rush? Just out of interest.



Wildy here und not the Mad Man! :lol:

und I hope Paulus will not mind me nicking my husband's key board und using his log on profile for a one- off post - while he get my tea ready! I have him under my thumb! But can type this quicker than the two fingered mad fella anyway! :oops:

Gatsobait Liebchen - I hope you are well. :D


It's an opioid!

Basically it mimic the endorphins (in brain and spinal cord) and tramadol locks on these and they kill the pains. Basically they block the pain transmission to the brain. So the cause of the pain is still there - you just feel less of it.

It enhances your neurotransmitters in your brain - these are the chemical compounds which serve as messengers between nerve cells. Think of the bus lane in the computer doo-dah - ist something like this - but in your brain! These have fancy names like serotonin und noradrelene - und tramadol hydrochloride will affect these und jazz them up a bit into telling your brain that that it does not hurt really.

Ist used to control moderate or severe pain.

So you feel like you smoked too many fags? Ist opioid - can cause drowsiness und a little nausea sensation in average persons of average weight It ist rare to get withdrawal symptoms from this drug - but if you feel agitated or shaky - tell the doctor after stopping the medicine.

But in any case - you are only talking a day or two if you are one of the 5% or so who react a little strangely.It may be making you a bit tachycardic from what you say - do you get palpitations? Headache? dry mouth? und find you are slow to get going in the toilet? If so - side effects of the drug - but worth mentioning if they are all at same time or cause you to feel unwell.

That ist trouble - everyone reacts differently to same medicine - und can only sugggest you tell the doctor treating you if you feel it ist not doing you a lot of good.


Hope no-one really minds my posing as my husband! :wink: But I tend to read here rather than actively take part on here - as I have much more fun winding up policemen elsewhere.


Besides cannot say much other than agree mit my husband most of time on here anyway! :shock:


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PS - He will go Mad as I still have not learned how to spell! He IS trying to correct my spelling as I have a bit of a problem WITH some words He has put a nursery style poster in my den in view of my cmputer in there - but I am in his lair so I have not got the crib sheet in front of me - which ist why there are a lot of spelling mistakes! :oops:

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