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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 22:24 
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Police officer killed in crash
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A BURY police officer has died after the van he was driving was involved in a crash.

The smash happened at around 11.55pm last night when a police van responding to an incident was travelled along Pottery Lane in Openshaw.

As it arrived at the junction with Ashton Old Road it was in collision with a VW Polo.

As a result of the collision, the van turned onto its side and came to rest against a set of traffic lights.

The driver, who has been named as PC Christopher Hart, aged 40, a response officer based in Bury, suffered serious head injuries and died at the scene.

His passenger, a male police officer, suffered minor injuries in the incident and was taken to Manchester Royal Infirmary and was later released.

The three people in the VW Polo suffered minor injuries in the collision and were also taken to hospital.

The junction between Ashton Old Road, Pottery Lane and Alan Turing Way has been closed while officers deal with the scene.

Investigations are now underway to establish the circumstances surrounding the incident.

PC Hart's family have been informed of the death and family liaison officers are now offering their support.

Assistant Chief Constable Justine Curran said: "This is a tragic incident in which a serving officer with Greater Manchester Police has lost his life.

"Our thoughts are now with his family and colleagues and we are offering them every support."

Chief Superintendent Jon Rush, Bury Divisional Commander, added: "Chris was a respected member of Bury division and his tragic and sudden death will be deeply felt by his family, particularly his young son, and his work colleagues."

Chris Burrows, of the Greater Manchester Police Federation, said: "We are mourning the loss of a respected colleague and father. All our thoughts are with his family at this time."

Anyone who witnessed the collision is asked to call the Area 2 road policing team on 0161 856 3572.




First of all sincere condolences to this police officer whom I am sure will have been driving correctly .. but was tragically unlucky.


HOWEVER.. there are some worries over these vans and how they appear to be being used.

Last June a coroner asked for a review of police van driver training after another GMP van killed an 18 year old.


Both my sisters have mailed me concerns over a van which they think based at the Little Hulton station has been seen by them hurtling all over the place. At first they thought "genuine" ..but Julie (Ju-Ju).. my youngest sister .. noted two WPC at the checkout at the Walkden supermarket (only one.. happens to be "Tesco" :roll:) She says she returned to her car .. parked by the Blockbuster store and made her way to the A6. As she turned left to join the main road and approached the other access to this car park .. she noted the two WPCs attempting to turn right .. set off blues/twos and hurtle up the A6. By chance Julie (on elderly relative duty) noted Jazz .. our other sister who lives in the same area .. following this van. She was on her way to Middlebrook to meet me for an afternoon after I'd dropped off the football mad brood at the Reebok :lol: to watch BW lose to Man U :roll:

Jazz says she observed this van tailgate other traffic and race on ahead of her.. She thought some incident on the M61 where she was heading.. and planned to pull over to reset her Sat nav for alternative.. if necessary.

But then as she passed the Little Hulton Police station.. she saw.. the WPCs park up and run into the station with what looked suspiciously like a cooked chicken from the deli counter and another bag which she thought could be doughnuts.

How come she had the time to see this?


Well someone happened to be crossing at the pelican and Jazz was directly opposite the station when she had to stop there :wink:


Hmmm... this is an exception perhaps. Jazz and Ju-Ju tell me that they have seen this same van rushing to what the know to be genuines and Jazz says she recognises one of the WPCs as a "commended heroine" in another aspect of police work to be fair.

But the suspected one off dougnut affair apart.. (and I am sure it was a one off or an aborted shout given this was a match day after all :wink:)


Just how stable are the Transit vans :P in a RESPONSE situation? :scratchchin: or a doughnut situation for that matter .. and I cannot really blame them for wanting to eat those tasty deli-chickens whilst hot either. :lol: to be honest .. I can be understanding. .. :P within reason :P :wink:

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Mad Moggie,
Since this is one of my areas that I work and I in no way will condone this type of behaviour / driving and agree with a lot if not all that you say or post. I do however have some sneaky suspicions that on this occassion all is not as how you describe for whatever reasons and here are my reasons why.
1.I know the road and junction you mention and it is very busy on most days,so,if these officers did blue and two out of there,then how far behind the police van was your sister when the van set off.
2.they say that they followed it tailgating along Manchester road,how,could they see this were they driving directly behind the van on an offiside position to have a view of this,i presume the van exceeded the speed limit of 30mph.
3.Then even after stopping to reset sat nav still manage to catch the van up as the officers were getting out.
4.Then pedestrian crossing is a good distance past the police station on the Bolton bound carriageway and to be stopped outside due to traffic for this crossing would suggest very heavy traffic on this road,even less acceptable in these circumstances.
Just my observations perhaps you could explain please.
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and planned to pull over to reset her Sat nav for alternative.. if necessary.


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Stephen wrote:
Mad Moggie,
Since this is one of my areas that I work and I in no way will condone this type of behaviour / driving and agree with a lot if not all that you say or post. I do however have some sneaky suspicions that on this occassion all is not as how you describe for whatever reasons and here are my reasons why.
1.I know the road and junction you mention and it is very busy on most days,so,if these officers did blue and two out of there,then how far behind the police van was your sister when the van set off.
2.they say that they followed it tailgating along Manchester road,how,could they see this were they driving directly behind the van on an offiside position to have a view of this,i presume the van exceeded the speed limit of 30mph.
3.Then even after stopping to reset sat nav still manage to catch the van up as the officers were getting out.
4.Then pedestrian crossing is a good distance past the police station on the Bolton bound carriageway and to be stopped outside due to traffic for this crossing would suggest very heavy traffic on this road,even less acceptable in these circumstances.
Just my observations perhaps you could explain please.
Stephen


Stephen, nobody said they stopped to reset the satnav.

What WAS said, however, was this
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and planned to pull over to reset her Sat nav for alternative.. if necessary.


Quite clearly she did not stop to reset the satnav because it did not turn out to be necessary.

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First of all - condolences to the family and colleagues of a fellow officer. RIP mate.

Stephen.. happen to know the Mad Lad's sisters. Nice ladies all of them. This Manchester based pair are seriously nice though.



I do have one brother and sister based with GMP as well .. so I do get some grapevine gossips :lol:


But both of them mention this van and passed remarks that the Little Hulton police van does seem very busy everywhere :lol: "! I think Jazz does as normal . steady 30 mph when in town but uses a "pogo" as she reckons it a "wicked little toy" :lol: Jazz said in a moan :roll: to me over it ..at the time .. that she thought from the van driver's style that there had been a "major" further up the road she was going to use and considered a detour if that was the case.

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Transits do hold the road suprisingly well. What bothers me more is when they pass me at 50+ in a 30 zone with no warnings...

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hairyben wrote:
Transits do hold the road suprisingly well. What bothers me more is when they pass me at 50+ in a 30 zone with no warnings...


ISTR one of the motoring programs took a "standard" Transit round the Nurburgring in just over 10 mins (with some weight stripped out they got it below 10 mins)

This is pretty damn good going!

It wasnt untill the sixties that "proper" racing cars got below 9!

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Transits do hold the road suprisingly well. What bothers me more is when they pass me at 50+ in a 30 zone with no warnings...


ISTR one of the motoring programs took a "standard" Transit round the Nurburgring in just over 10 mins (with some weight stripped out they got it below 10 mins)

This is pretty damn good going!

It wasnt untill the sixties that "proper" racing cars got below 9!


aye, that was top gear, van was driven by local ace sabine schmitz :love:

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Hi Stephen

Did consider sending pm to tell you about my post here and hope it did not offend.




Stephen wrote:
Mad Moggie,
Since this is one of my areas that I work and I in no way will condone this type of behaviour / driving and agree with a lot if not all that you say or post. I do however have some sneaky suspicions that on this occassion all is not as how you describe for whatever reasons and here are my reasons why.
1.I know the road and junction you mention and it is very busy on most days,so,if these officers did blue and two out of there,then how far behind the police van was your sister when the van set off.




Jazz told me about it when we met. We were picking up something special for our parents which was why I left my kids with their uncle and my eldest son at the match.

I have asked both of them again for details .

Ju-Ju says she was at the check-out just before the WPC, and passed idle chit chat with her. :lol:

She walked back to her car. She always uses the "Ashtonfield Road" exit to the A6 as she says the other is "too busy".. and with the bus stop etc.. can be "difficult" at times. She noted the police van waiting to turn right on her approach to the box junction there. She then sees Jazz approaching and letting out this driver who put her vehicle on blues/twos.


Ju-Ju said she had also stopped to let this van emerge and saw it speed off in her mirrors.


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2.they say that they followed it tailgating along Manchester road,how,could they see this were they driving directly behind the van on an offiside position to have a view of this,i presume the van exceeded the speed limit of 30mph.



Jazz says she saw the van tailgate the car immediately in front of her.. complete a tricky overtake and do the same to the car in front of that one. She's at steady 30 mph.


Jazz once tackled me about speed limits. She was on A575. Was overtaken by some chav who drove in Jazz's estimation at about 50 mph on wrong side of road. Slowed for the Truvelo and accelerated. She kept at steady 30 mph and pulled up behind at the traffic lights near some tyre place/industrial estate where A575 crosses the motorway. She thought him a t :censored: t :lol:



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3.Then even after stopping to reset sat nav still manage to catch the van up as the officers were getting out.


She did not stop. She was concerned and considered keying in alternative in case of a hold up ahead. She thought there had been an accident they were heading for. She also knew that the A6 passes a fairly rough Little Hulton estate and wondered if there had been a "domestic". Her in-car sat nav did not flash up whether she wanted to re-set guidance.. but she thought she's press the TP button for jam news if necessary and re-set a route if she had to.

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4.Then pedestrian crossing is a good distance past the police station on the Bolton bound carriageway and to be stopped outside due to traffic for this crossing would suggest very heavy traffic on this road,even less acceptable in these circumstances.
Just my observations perhaps you could explain please.
Stephen


Jazz said she was in slow moving traffic towards Cleggs Lane lights from the car part seller owned by Ali which she frequents. :lol:

She says she noted the officers run into station with their goodies. She assumed an "aborted call".. but does still wonder all the same :lol:


When I post that we rarely see police cars.. she always mails me with a "but I see a van.. and a an Astra and a Vectra. They are always busy and visible. This is leafy and affluent area ... but we are plagued by thugs all the same"

She has not seen the Vectra since last year's collision with the Micra between Lumber Lane and Greenleach Lane.. Worsley though. He was on a shout. Micra woman was turning right. He had lights/sirens. She should have seen this. :roll:

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