weepej wrote:
Thatsnews wrote:
Oh, dear! So instead of waiting for a gap, he tried to create one! Not advisable, really...
Ther wasn't going to be any gap, not for a good half an hour anyway. Have you ever driven in London?
Agreed it was silly to nose out, but IMO it was more silly to come thundering down the road at quite a speed assuming nobody is going to stick a nose out from the gap that was there.
Frankly, I don't think the guy in the van even saw the gap opening up, he was a bloody idiot.
weepej wrote:
Have to say, the guy that stuck his nose out did it very slowly, he had no option but to stick his nose out, he was turning right across a dirty great line of traffic.
I am confused here. Was there a gap which he nosed out into.. and did he look for the cyclist or the biker
He did not notice the other van after all.
You do not know if he'd be there for a half hour. Some drivers are polite and let a car enter into the queue after all
Even in the South.
even though we Northerners have the edge on nice polite and calm behaviour.
You also said at one point that he was "below the speed limit"
weepej wrote:
ree.t wrote:
Clearly the driver was going to fast for the conditions. However was he within the legal limit you don’t know.
He probably was under the legal limit, although the in agitated way he was driving I imagine he spent a good deal of time over the limit during his trip, you see, the two go together in my experience. I do not follow. You cannot tell from this incident how fast he drove on his trip up to this point given Kengestion charging is not reducing traffic in reality and he was in a heavy stream all the time. It could be panic/worry at being "late" might have interfered with his concentration and this is where I am 100% with BRAKE over the daft and inconsiderate demands placed on employees by bosses here.
Derby prats had a "game" on their prat site. Did not matter how you played it .. you either ended up dead or 10 minutes late by sticking to the speed limit - but alive.
Employers do not like on second late as a rule.
By the way .. sister Jazz tells me that once suffered a dangerous overtake on a road full of pedestrian crossing islands .. where the driver slowed perfectly for a Truvelo.. She was at just under 30 mph. She caught up with this driver at the traffic lights despite his 50 mph blat past her. She has decent judgement. She does teach Maths as well as French.
Handy also posted that the proposed 10 mph reduction on a busy M580 would not affect him greatly./
Ju-Ju however, reckons it could as she once said to me that ... in a rush hour situation in the big 'burbs .. just being two cars behind can mean all the difference between making the lights on green and being stuck for 2 seconds .. and a lot of traffic flows into the road you want in that time - creating further delays
. She said she was behind one work colleague and got separated that way and vice versa with herself. It made a difference of being punctual and being a bit late for work.
This is part of the equation and maybe we need to look more closely at traffic light sequences and ensure they are set to "green flows" so as to dissipate and disperse the build ups on red lights better.
Politeness, courtesy and zip merges all help keep things flowing too - along with COAST vigilance.
BUT back to your post weepej.. can you please elucidate the "agitated manner of his driving style"
Was he on his "hands free phone"
which backs the research if he was and engrossed
Was he looking frustrated and worried .. unreasonable boss syndrome
Was he annoyed at the jams ..
Was he just singing along to his CD..
Was he just driving normally .. but thinking of his job list ahead..
Or just getting annoyed with the traffic hold-up for no apparent reason
Was he weaving the lanes?
Making rude gestures?
Please define the "agitated" and why he gave you this impression.
I am NOT "baiting you or being unkind or suggesting anything "untoward" in your perception of this driver by the way"
IG once posted in his Hendon notes that we must all evaluate our drives and be aware that our every action can affect another road user. He even posted in that series that something we think is "routine" may not be perceived as such by another road user and that we should always spend a minute after each drive or bike ride just thinking back and evaluating how the journey did perhaps affect a fellow road user.
So
evaluate objectively. What made you think this van driver was "agitated". How did YOU plan your ride or drive when you noted this?
What signs could there have been to the noser out into traffic in this situation?
Think OBJECTIVELY and completely devoid of emotion or bias towards any forms of transport
You were there. I do not follow your logic here. I ask the questions to help you define this logic of yours here.
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