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Soi why all the fuss from the cyclists on fora und in the mags over being pulled for not complying to a speed limit which the cars have to comply ot in Richmond Park etc.. (Or on any other road which ist enforced 20 mph for that matter

Along with all the farts through the lycra shorts when the Met decided to crack down on pavement cyclists?

Cyclist did kill a bloke not so long ago after all. High-ish speeds on a bicycle when unsafe for the conditions (or even illegal on pavement) can be just as tragic in outcome for rider und other roadusers.



Und had my own husband been unlucky in his landing that day he was pushed into the gas works.. It a good job that he has some "feline" tendencies.




Und I want the law rigorously enforced for lycra louts (und I have not put in quotes since you appear not to like that ) - but to suggest this seems to make some rush to type "anti-cyclist" when we are all anti-yob.


But since a lot of cyclists out there disobey this speed limit und we know they do HERE as we abide by the 20 mph in the villages .. but are OVERTAKEN by some on bicycles so if we at GPS 20 mph.. the cyclist (usually on nice bike und in full gear) ist breaking the speed limit.

SO therefore it not "anti-cycling" to suggest they are also nailed for "reckless or inconsiderate cycling" und get convicted properly for this like other road users

Law apply to cyclists just as much as anyone else but whenever anyone complain about the anti-social behaviour of the minority of this road user type - there are umpteen accusations of "anti-cycling" ..

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Ease up - I've only got so much clip art ya know.

Ideally, I would have included parked cars a cyclist, a junction and a hoody looking like he's about to run out after snatching an old ladys handbag, (although I'd probably speed up at that point).

Seriously though, I go back to a point I made a million years ago; one of my first posts on SS...

If there were a village, town or country whereby it was somehow physically impossible to go over any posted speed limit, remote governing or something, you would still have RTA's and fatalities. (Agruably more)

If I see someone going 5 or 10 mph over the limit it makes absolutely no difference to whether I would pull out in front of him - I keep look out and judge the situation for what it is. Prevention is better than cure, an' all that. He shouldn't, and I wouldn't, be going so quickly past any junction but the cause would be the error of judgement - not the speed. A speed camera is like a doctor prescribing Aspirin for everything.

This is why I want the focus on safer roads and better drivers/driving

BTW. Big Tone implies I think I'm big in some way, but I only picked it because it was available. There's nothing big about me. I have only to look at the moon or stars or think of Earth's long history to know this so please just call me Tone, Tony or human being No 103,893,437,208

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Yep.
I think it's possibly the same reason for red-light jumping.
Impatience & Frustration - possibly arrogance.

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I banged on the roof of someone who did that to me ~6 years ago in Fulham Broadway, and he turned out to be the boss of the company I was going to see

I guess the drive and arrogance it takes to be a success in business spills out on the road too.

Were you going for an interview? I assume you were on two wheels at the time so how did he recognise you? Did you bang on his head when you met him and say "remember me?"

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

This is how I see it weepej & hjeg2: -

In your ideal world, if every speed limit was strictly enforced with the result that any and every time absolutely anyone was over the limit by so much as 1 mph, (speeding by definition), they were prosecuted then how many people do you think would keep a clean licence for very long? Even if it were just 5 mph over how many would end up banned or with points eventually?

I think the answer is too obvious to state, so I’ll get to my next point…

Even if you had your way and the above scenario came true for anyone just 5 mph over, how long do you think it would be before politicians used this to gain votes from these banned or endorsed ‘law breakers’ who would constitute the vast majority of our fair land?

I say it in my signature and I believe it's true: When all these 'bad' drivers who have had impeccable safe driving records their entire life and lived as good respectable citizens, until recently, are banned or get to screaming pitch with being ripped off and it starts to directly and indirectly affect the general populous, including you, whether you like it or not you will have to rethink your position IMHO.

I've seen it happen countless times already where people have gone abroad. Occupational Therapists who have gone to Canada, Speech & Language Therapists to Australasia, Doctors to America, I could go on.. I only mention these because these are the people I work with. We need plumbers, electricians, someone to deliver your order from Tesco or Argos or take your mother to hospital...

How many others will simply carry on driving because of their profession; to keep the bills paid and their family together. How many others may turn to other means of earning money which may not be quite 'above board'. It will literally start to turn people into either criminal behaviour or leave!

I don't know what sort of society your are trying to create but I'm afraid I may be a part of it one day. It's started already in fact, but no-one in power has taken any interest yet.


Addendum: I was right about the CSA too, in its original guise, but it took how long before it was formally recognised a complete failure?

The pathos of it all

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Wildcat, cyclists cannot be prosecuted for exceeding a speed limit, speed limits are for motorised vehicles only.

The royal parks appear to be a bit of a weird one as police are stopping cyclists they clock going too fast; don't know what they're charging them with but it won't be breaking the speed limit.

Reckless cycling is the offence I think.

It could be a bye-law. I know that Poole 'pleasure grounds' have something like an 8mph speed limit enforceable, if witnessed by a police officer or park warden, by being ejected from the pleasure ground and/or by being fined a sum of no more than £2. This applies to all vehicles, even kids bikes.

But as you say, the road traffic act speed limits only apply to mechanically propelled vehicles, or whatever the definition.

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No, I was walking, and I was going to water his office plants. I recall him getting all "I bet you wish you hadn't done that now", to which I responded that just because my firm worked for his firm, it didn't give him the right to run me over.

Admittedly I was working my notice at said firm....

Joining this a bit late in the day, to weepej and hjeg2 I would ask "Do you support the basic premise of this community insofar as you believe that the current government enforcement of speed limits is draconian and based in pecuniary terms only, divides the average driver's ability, by the lowest common denominator, to monitor their own safe progress along with the safety of their fellow road-users and promote the return of proper levels of Traffic Police to deal with the hard-of-thinking/poor-of-talent numpties who commit heinous traffic violations at, or below, the posted limit due to there being no-one to point out their idiocy to them".
If your answer to any of the above is "No", then I would ask why you have joined this site, if not to obtain the Order of the Brown Arms...

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http://www.citycycling.co.uk/issue9/issue9page21.html


You are right. Though the above quote is interesting.

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If you instantly changed from the current situation to one where somehow people automatically got points when driving at more than 10% plus 2 mph above the limit (I do think that drivers should get SOME leeway), then I think it's fair to say that quite a lot of people would get points. But living in the real world, it wouldn't happen instantly and I think people could adapt. I do believe that the average driver could stay within the above margin of the limit. Also, we're not far off the stage of satelite-linked speed limiters.



Well it might not be long but, for example, I think that cannabis should be legalised and there isn't any sign of that happening any time soon. (That might be a non-sequitur in which case ignore it.)

The amount of fixed speed cameras has gone up a lot since Labour came to power; it hadn't affected their electoral chances in 2005 and I really doubt it will significantly affect their chances at the next general election.

Ken Livingstone in London is quite definitely anti-car in general and that hasn't affected his chances of getting re-elected.



No I don't reckon I will have to rethink my position but, who knows, perhaps it will be the case that I end up in a small minority.



So you're not actually a White Van Man as in your name.



Oh there are lots of good reasons to move to Canada, America, Australia or New Zealand, but I find it very hard to believe that driving plays a significant part in the decision.



But we have an enormous amount of people who take illegal drugs and the government isn't about to legalise those.



Ah, now this is important - the people in power are only there because the people have elected them. With this in mind, can you really be so sure of the popularity of your side of this issue? As for the sort of society I would like, simply one in which people drive slower!

Well - one hopes they get the maximum fine for this then und imposed by magistrate court which mean a conviction for a crime

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Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

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But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
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If you have GPS or mobile phone in some places - it lose signal. In fact it happen rather a lot .. so this can be VERY dangerous.

Belgium wanted to ban cruise control after spate of accidents whereby the drivers thought they did not have to a-a-p-ppy the brakes

I don't like the cruiser thing anyway.. it feel like I lost control of the car somehow.

So I do not tend to use it.


I also think that some people get pinged because they rely on this

It only take a hit on brakes to disengage after all.




Will not happen aseven the Swiss want to re-classify now. Drugs are not for pleasure und leisure.



A lot of other issues will though The lunchbox police .. the ID cards.. the reduction of services und a depressed economy all tend to sink a sitting prime minister on a ducking stool



Only because they chose dorks to stand against. Archer come to mind..

It a case of Tweedled Dee und Tweedle Dumber Dee. But I think his snifters mid-morning might not go down as smoothly as the single malt with the electorate .. along with other daft ideas.











Majority of Mancunians oppose congestion charge apparently. Sisters-in-law active anti-toll taxtresses They also find a lot anti-speed cam und anti-Labour .. but a lot did vote for the "None of These Party" as they do not like any of them ... this ist the picture they get from knocling on doors to get a signature for petitions.




He called Tony und I think he ist a big bloke



We nearly did decide to move to the USA. They had a lovely drive to where we were offered the work.

But we have too many kids und commitments here und I happen to llove Cumbria despite Steviebabes




Drugs are different .. they addict.. und ultimately cost the NHS und society more.

There ist a deliberation in wanting to take the drugs or get involved in a gang which promise cash without having to work too hard for it.


Drift above a lolly sign ist not at all the same thing. If cyclistsget donefor reckless cycling - there would be same outcry. Personally I think some should .. they are dangerous types. Who would be the same in a car or on foot.






Nope.. the majority did not turn out to vote und really voted for the "None of These Party"

Und the policy ist not making people "drive slower". Cruise control ist not "being in full charge" in many cases und the rest slow for the scam und drive way above thereafter. We sacrifice trafpol for this blinkered stupidty

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Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

Good point Wildy; I rather suspect that, if you were involved in an accident whilst your car was under the authority of cruise control, the crown would be of the opinion that you were not in full control of your vehicle, thus opening an avenue for a charge of careless or dangerous driving. Having 'satellite-linked speed limiters' in control of the vehicle would result in the driver being in even less control of their vehicle!

Well, I still disagree with you hjeg2 but at least now I feel like I could get in the car with you if you offered me a lift. Not sure if you would get in mine though because we may get involved in a RTA when I get to 5 or 10 mph over the limit eh?

BTW I didn't know I came across as a white van driver but even so I don't judge people by their profession, age, colour or gender. I think The Rush, from New York, said he is a humble taxi, (cab), driver but I have the utmost respect for him and his posts. Most articulate and very wise.

BTW2 I'm not big in anyway, like I mentioned earlier in this thread, it's just that Tony or Tone had gone and so Big Tone was born (I regret it now but oh well)

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Well I'm big in the belly these days, I think it's called middle age spread The big 50 (five ohhh) this year so I'm after a fast car and loose women - any takers?

Actually there's no point getting a fast car anymore and I'm not a slapper.

If only you weren't taken Wildy Bloomin husbands

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

A "majority", if you are being pedantic, can be as little as 50.005%! In my opinion, there are far too many limits which are not even remotely sensible. Not all of them, I grant you, and certainly not a majority, but it is becoming increasingly common.



I think much of the problem here (and I agree it is a problem), is that people these days almost automatically expect pedestrian crossings to be controlled by lights, and a bog-standard zebra crossing takes many by surprise. It shouldn't, I know, but it does.

What I disagree with is the knee-jerk "more cameras" argument. We are already the most camera-monitored people in Europe, if not the world, and I don't want to see this Big Brother culture spreading. How about some driver/cyclist education and training instead? (of course, that wouldn't bring in any revenue....)

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Now hold on, the people in power ARE only there because the people elected them. The fact that many people didn't vote is irrelevant. The question here is what you would like to see done. I think that some form of proportional representation where every vote mattered would encourage more people to vote.



But that's not what Tone was talking about. He was talking about the kind of society that I would like to live in, where we had genuinely rigourous enforcement for speeding.



I wasn't talking about cruise control but something more sophisticated - satellite-linked speed limiters. And you would be in full charge except for the fact that the car wouldn't let you break the speed limit; there would be nothing in it at all that stopped you from driving slower. Also, you said yourself that with cruise control "It only take a hit on brakes to disengage." As for it losing signal, perhaps that's one reason why it hasn't come about yet. Someone tell Mole. In the case of Belgium drivers, well, they're idiots aren't they.

And for people in cars too?

What about people in cars breaking the 20 limit in Richmond Park?