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I concur, perhaps I should have made my post in this vein.

Do you believe ALL speed cameras are int he wrong place?

Do you think ALL speed camera operations should cease with immediate effect?

Sorry I know you didn't ask me but, yes to both of the above.

Speed cameras are exactly the wrong tool for the job. Let's look at it this way, if they are a deterrant to speeding then they are hugely bad at it, I believe nearly 3 million people caught last year, so not doing a very good job at slowing people down. If they are to prevent accidents, then they are hugely bad at it, fatal accidents have remained static for around 15 years.

There are solutions to the problems in existance already, however we will not see any of them in this country whilst the lucrative cameras are still in place. Therefore every single speed camera is in the wrong place simply because it is in place.

Are all speed camera in the wrong place ?

The majority are.
The ones that do good are placed near schools or areas of high density pedestrian activity.
The ones with little justification are the ones mounted on m/ways. Excepting that those have a dual use as well, speed and anpr.
Controlling speed, and apprehending people speeding, in areas that post a great danger to others that are not protected by a steel/plastic shell would be a much better alternative.

Do I think all speed camera operations should cease ?
No. See above.

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The one in this post: Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:25 am



That's complete rubbish and annoyingly so. Presumably you can list a load of questions from yourself, aimed at me, that I haven't answered? If not, will you withdraw the above point?

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Well, then if you're not toeing the Safe Speed line that all speed camera operations should cease with immediate effect then Thatsnews doesn't think you should be here.

Weepej, I think you are clearly in the wrong place, not jomukuk. And don't think I haven't noticed your wilful refusal to answer my question.

In the space of 2 miles there are five speed cameras. One was placed using false statistics. The second was placed outside a school. Or rather a closed school Another was placed where there was no real evidence of speeding and another was placed outside a college where there was some evidence of speeding, but no accident in living memory. The fifth was placed at a crossing. Because a child had ran into the road and a legally driven car had hit him. (The driver had not been speeding)

So out of five cameras, four were dubiously placed and one was probably almost in the right position.

That's not a good ratio.

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So you do believe that speed cameras have their place?

Not the speed cameras that the partnerships use, no.

They offer a historical report that someone at some point in the past, broke the speed limit. Wow. And did you know Queen Anne is dead, too?

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But the Safe Speed campaign says: -

It should came as no surprise that Safe Speed says: "Let's make speed cameras as unacceptable as drink driving."

So, again, I ask what are YOU doing here then?

And I presume most who frequent this site have signed this: -

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/scrapcam/#detail

Note, it states Safe Speed wants ALL speed cameras scrapped.

We've already got "dissenters" on this thread who have said that they don't want ALL cameras scapped (including you Thatsnews), how many more are there?

How many more people that disagree with this stance frequent this forum?

How many that signed that petition don't actually want all speed cameras scrapped?

All those that do not agree that ALL speed camaeras should be scrapped surely have no place here according to your logic.

weepej,

The Safespeed campaign is not black and white, we do not have "dissenters" we have supporters and non supporters, all of whom are welcome to discuss the use of the speed cameras in road safety policy, in fact of any issue in that arena, all will support or be un-supportive to various grey levels.

You seem to be pushing a Bush like "you're either with us or against us" stance and it is completely unnecessary, all views are tolerated, we only ask that people back their view up with logic and reason.

There are a number of long term supporters of Safespeed who did not agree with everything that Paul said and there is no issue with this, so to try and separate posters as true believers or dissenters is missing the point by a wide margin.

Paul said himself on a number of occasions that used correctly a small number of well placed speed cameras may have had a positive benefit to road safety however it was their continual misuse by SCPs that were not contributing to road safety meant that they should all be removed.

To my mind this was a request (or more perhaps a demand) that the whole policy of road safety via speed cameras should be removed.

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Well, he obviously didn't believe himself if he then posted a petition to scrap ALL speed cameras, as well as state this in the website pages.

How confusing is that!

If you end up in the same place as him one day you can ask him weepej, but I don't think it is appropriate to make assumptions of the mindset of the deceased, and certainly not with the intention to disparage them.

Try reading what you quoted

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It's not really that confusing if you can understand the concept of a "do over", or for those not familiar with the term, "start again from scratch".

I recall that Paul said on some occasions that if speed cameras had been used as probably (possibly) was originally intended then they would have been useful. As the number of cameras increased, and the general population's view of them became quite poor, he thought the only viable solution was to tear them all down and then, maybe, install a very few in (what he saw were) the "right" circumstances.

I can't say that I agree with this, but it's not really "confusing".

Andy

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Yeah sorry, didn't see the "all" bit.

Still, my point is that Thatsnews is asking why I'm here if I don't agree with the Safe Speed line that all speed cameras should be shut down with immediate effect, and I'm suggesting that people don't have to toe the line to post here, indeed there's no reason why I can't be diametrically opposed to this and still post here.

Indeed surely its better to mix with people who oppose my view (and I theirs) than sit on a BB where I just agree with everything that everybody says.

Weepej, it is possible that you might be angling to get banned so that you can tell all your speed camera cronies how those evil, horrid, horrid speed merchants at Safespeed ganged up on you and how nasty and vile they all were.

You carry on. If you are the poster boy for speed cameras then... well, you just carry on promoting them in your own inimitable style. You are doing such a good job.

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Thank you, so I can look forward to less of the ad hominems from you then (save the three or four in the quoted post)?

Well, I think the campaign should make this clear then, that's it not totally opposed to speed cameras, because that's the message its giving out IMO.