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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 19:20 
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Ach!

The Sexpress tell me today that we become :listenup:

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A Nation of Suspects



This follow the bugging of Sadiq Khan - which could see the oduous Huntley freed on technicality of law .. per the Sexpress sensationalista reporter .. but also mentioned by BBC :banghead:


It called "data Mining" - whereby some software trawl through records und flag up red flag.


Ther nothing new on this. I am sure I was "suspect" because I chose to study Russian as final year "elect challenge" und end up in :yikes: Moscow where I never actually manage to perfect linguistic skills either.

Basically go to Algeria or Tehran on legit business und you may be "suspect" these days per the sexy press.

I am sure I already "suspect" because I post on sassy sites like this one und tell world I :love: my cars. :popcorn: Und whilst I recycle everything und even grow some herbs, veggies und buy from local farmer shoppes.. I still not convinced over "end of worlde nigh" either. That wind last week> :popcorn: I think someone should do some research as it always co-incide with the "near miss meteor" :popcorn: which :yikes: as we know reduced dinosaurs to birds .. :shock: :shock: :shock:
so goodness knows what it turn us into :yikes:

OK .. so that bit ist whimsiest tongue in cheek. I want to make you all giggly. :jester:

But seriously "data mining" occur because there so much information available. But it can flag up the wrong signals und lead to innocent being harrassed und their lives intruded upon.

Liberty say such data mining flagged up company whose profit margin seem high. The directors of said company became "suspect" even though they had done nothing other than work legitimately hard for that result.

There no safeguards..

Tesco "loyalty card"? They sell on your details. Tesco Internet shopping? You have to agree to let them do what they like with your customer profile.. basically - they sell details und you get lots of junk mail.. und in these days of the "health police" - you will be suspect over that pack of choccy biscuits :shock:


I don't use any "loyalty" card. I do not want 1p for every £10 I spend. I want bargains.. und any such data trail will show that I do not spend one penny without making sure that penny does the work of two or better more pennies :lol:

We now seem to be heading for something called "spider software" which will weave its web across all social networking sites - harvesting information for marketing companies.

Und you wonder where the junk mail come from :wink: We do not receive this anymore. We do not use any loyalty or credit card when we shoppe I do use the debit card .. but normally prefer cash und I am a bit shocking as I do ask for my 2% discount for this if a big shoppe :lol:

But we are becoming a surveillance state.. more so than any other Western country.


We have DNA database - even calls for everyone to be on this database. :shock: DNA at scene not prove anything.. It can be circumstantial. :popcorn: My DNA traces are in every place I visit after all . As everone else's :popcorn:

We now have schools taking finger prints of children und even telling us in nasty letter that child chose nasty chips instead of the boiled uninspiring potatoes one day. :popcorn:


But whilst Whitehall ist prepared to sacrifice a right to complete privacy to "war on terror" without regard for the private rights of the 95% of us who are decent folk - .they do not seem to have much regard for security. Manchester found confidential information .. including pay roll data strewn over its streets last week per the MEN's headlines und there has been other thefts of confidential information.. careless losses of personal information.

FOI? They can und do refuse requests if "sensitive"

But the ultimate danger ist that folk can be frozen out of society if their "dataveillance" does not suit too.

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many companies don't give two squats about privacy. I have several hundred carbon copy invoices from a call out concern I worked for for a short while a few years ago... at least half include the customers full name and address, full credit card details, signature etc. there's no way I should have been allowed to keep such details, but it was easier for the company to have one combined jobsheet. I keep meaning to burn them.

I'm the same as you with loyalty cards, wouldn't have them, but my sis goes on about them.... mind, she did source half her kitchen from mfi, effectively free, including such delights as a £900 dishwasher using tesco clubcard points.

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many companies don't give two squats about privacy. I have several hundred carbon copy invoices from a call out concern I worked for for a short while a few years ago... at least half include the customers full name and address, full credit card details, signature etc. there's no way I should have been allowed to keep such details, but it was easier for the company to have one combined jobsheet. I keep meaning to burn them.



Ach .. please do burn them. You know I have Aga und coal fires here. O can burn stuff und use legit to cook und warm home :lol:

But folk have right to privacy all the same. I know someone who get fleeced for several hundred pounds because person had credit card detail und the security number. Elderly. She paid some bill on phone. When her close relative discover.. bank notified.. refund given und pleased to say they nailed the b :censored: d . so :bow: to bank for once und also to police :bow:

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I'm the same as you with loyalty cards, wouldn't have them, but my sis goes on about them.... mind, she did source half her kitchen from mfi, effectively free, including such delights as a £900 dishwasher using tesco clubcard points.



But how much did she actually spend at Tesco? :scratchchin:

I never spend that much. I use the reduced counters when I visit these places. :lol:


I am penny pincher :lol: Seriously .. I want best value for my money. :lol:

I prefer "straight from farm produce" as much tastier :lol: It also cheaper :lol:

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But how much did she actually spend at Tesco? :scratchchin:

I never spend that much. I use the reduced counters when I visit these places. :lol:


I am penny pincher :lol: Seriously .. I want best value for my money. :lol:

I prefer "straight from farm produce" as much tastier :lol: It also cheaper :lol:


she lives over the road from tesco and neither of them drive, so tesco's a no-brainer, vouchers for hundreds of poundsworth of free kitchen is a handy bonus and fairly tempting offer.

Although they did use my local morrisons last time they were up and commented on how happy everyone (working there) seemed. and she's right, never thought about it before but they do seem more chilled out and less harried/plastic smiles than the other superstores in the area.

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hairyben wrote:

Although they did use my local morrisons last time they were up and commented on how happy everyone (working there) seemed. and she's right, never thought about it before but they do seem more chilled out and less harried/plastic smiles than the other superstores in the area.


Must be one of the few though - every one I've been in, from Inverness to Coventry ,leave a lot to be desired in the charm stakes -and that's compared to Sainsburys.On the loyalty card side though - the dangers of the information gathered can be seen from the "gifts " from stores - every year both of us get a birthday token from Sainsburys , and all we use in there is a Nectar card .Also every so often we get "special extra points " on items -guess what - it's things we get a lot of.Nuff said ???

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We got rid of our Tesco cards. And guess what? Our junk mail dropped by 90%!! Even though we told Tesco "Do not sell our details on."
:thumbsdown: BAD Tesco! :nono:

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Quite possibly co-incidence. If Tesco had sold your details on, then the new owners of said details aren't going to suddenly stop mailing you rubbish just because your card away.

The trick with the Clubcard is to not register it, you can still amass points and they don't have a name or address to associate with the data, of course you have to register it when you want to cash in those points but you can be clever and do so just before you move house, or use a friend's details just before they move house, hell, for the ultra paranoid register it to a recently vacated local squat or crack house :)

That said, the only loyalty card I have is the Shell one, because all they can glean from that is that I travel around the country a lot and buy lots of petrol in the process (and maybe the odd chocolate bar and can of coke) and it does pay well, I've had £100 worth of free fuel out of them so far.

I suppose if you were really against loyalty cards then you need to find a way of making the data worthless, scan the barcode on your clubcard and post it on the internet, encourage people to download it and stick it on a card of their own. The data will then be meaningless and blatantly wrong (eg. simultaneous purchases in different parts of the country), up to you where you register it to, a real address will let you see the results of their data mining, it will also get you many points to spend :)


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