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WildCat

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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 21:53

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http://www.rundschau-online.de/html/art ... 4445.shtml

http://www.faz.net/s/RubCD175863466D41B ... tent.htmIt unfortunate that all this in German - but I post up the links really to show where I get the information from. I think relevant as elsewhere facing same stupidity over scams und not really seeing a return for safety in reality.

Ironically.. like Switzerland .. Germany's motorways are extremely safe .. with the safest almost zero stats showing on their derestricts. Italy und Austria show zero KSI on the 90/100 mph stretches.. but we have to remember that these roads are straight und relatively free flow by comparison with high volume traffic roads seething with full tapestry of life from highly skilled to truly incompetent beyond belief .. verging on standard of amoeba with learning difficulties. :popcorn:

So all we prove ist .. humans when mingling in busy mode .. bump into each other .. und this can cause severest trauma und high emotion. :popcorn:

OK .. all the links report more or less the same thing. Little difference. other than a little journalese licence in reporting styles :popcorn:

OK .. what do all the links say in summary

Well.. 25% FEWER deaths on German roads since 1970. OK.. fine.

So.. ist due to boffins at Merc/BMW/Porsche/VW/Opel who do the R&D . After all .. they all looking into improving the brakes und adding sensors to car to kick in the brakes if the driver nods off :yikes:

But they confirm one thing which we proved on track with all our toys.. with SAME drivers .. which did include IG und his two brothers who ARE all trained to police standard of much excellence :bow:

- but we seemed to get the result that the modern family car does pull up much faster than a Moggie und Anglia und Mini.. und Herald und Stag und 1960/70/80 "luxury cars with all the then doo-dahs of gadgety addies" :popcorn:

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They looking ot make even better.. und are looking hard at brakes per the thing I paste up on "Improve" for information purpose und also summarise as it origanally in German. I admit to having worries about pasting my lingo onto English speak forum .. but I think OK if I explain what it says briefly.. or in how many words I think as "brief". I am tomboy ,.. but a woman - typical one who use 20 words when about 5 would "do" :lol:

.. und I am allowed to say this. You blokeys :nono:

OK .. 14 per day die on German roads. (UK has 10 .. but only just holding to 4th place

) But Germany reduce this by larger margin than UK .. which why they und Swiss und French are stealing UK thunder here :popcorn:

They only reporting to October as result for Nov/Dec not establish yet :popcorn:

Slight reduction in child death. Big increase in biker death. Small reduction in cyclist death.

But look at the bit regarding the Fed States.. :popcorn:

Bremen.. Saarland... Bayern.. Hamburg.. Lower Saxony are all showing increases .. but Bremen in Durham situation as still BELOW average. :popcorn:

(zunehmen (nimmt zu.. zunommen...) this mean INCREASE .. it the key word to look for with the numbers for those baffled by the link :wink:

)

Berlin' stats reduce by whopping 24% despite another headline I have which say 3 die each day on Berlin's streets

I guess you can call this scam spin as you cannot claim something work . und then claim so many die in next breath. :popcorn:

It either reduce or not reduce .. we cannot have or even understand almost schizophrenic interpretation of stats by the pro-scammers there :popcorn:

But these articles back what I und the Swiss have always posted though.

Because whilst we have the positive spin that Mecklenburg -Vopommern reduce its KIS by 22%.. they still account for bulk of KSI per two of the links :popcorn:

Pfalz has some of the busiest tourist roads und high commerce traffic passing through. They have done a good job in reducing KSI on their patch.. but they are the ones who offer the most intensive training when driver reach halfway point to licence loss on tot-up und other initiatives to be fair to them :bow:

(Not in these links .. but I can provide proof of this all the same. :lol:

) even if in foreign lingo .. not pay cricket here .. mode :lol:

But Germany .. like Switzerland.. und France und Austria are worried. People are still above 0.8 Promille in booze levels.. despite lowering this limit. "Killed" ist a neglible level. SI are increasing. It rings alarm bells und they concede that pedestrian und cyclist attitude und behaviour pattern are also adding to problem per the last two of my links :wink:

from Koln. :popcorn:

in particular :popcorn:

I am aware that some are a bit perplexed orfazed by the links which take to "foreign lingo".. but I have summarised more or less what these say in English (of sorts :lol:

) und I think useful ammo for trolls all the same :lol:

Europe not safer than UK. They just appear to be so because they have apparently reduced an average stat - but average means some increase whilst some decrease und whilst the decreases are welcomed.. they are decreases on an already high KSI stat und not really as reflective of success as some might think. :popcorn:

Do discuss all this. I have summarised what all the foreign lingo say loosely :lol:

Do refer to in discussion.. it power to add to argument. :popcorn:

These links only show where I get the fact from :wink:

http://www.rundschau-online.de/html/art ... 4445.shtml

http://www.rundschau-online.de/html/art ... 4445.shtml

http://www.mz-web.de/servlet/ContentSer ... 8881578737

http://www.fuldainfo.de/cms1/index.php? ... ewsid=1905

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mpaton2004

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 01:59

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Aren't Switzerland the country with hidden cameras everywhere? I remember seeing one that was disgused as a block of cheese while driving into Geneva...

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 08:44

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mpaton2004 wrote:

Aren't Switzerland the country with hidden cameras everywhere? I remember seeing one that was disgused as a block of cheese while driving into Geneva...

The one dressed as Snow White had one pointing out of her boobies. One wicked driver decided to feed her an apple :hehe:

Poor Snow White. On this occasion - it not dislodge from throat if Prinz Scam kiss her :lol:

But their fave disguise.. the wheely bin. Bin days are rather "interesting" experiences as result :popcorn:

But despite all this .. hidden cams plus 3 mph only allowed (but this fine - assessed on income - not points to tot up which apply if speed much over this) - KSI are still UP by a whopping 9% und even as much as 10% in one Kanton - KSI stats are still increasing on the non-motorway roads with a great many for Switezerland und Germany alike occurring on 20 mph urbans :popcorn:

per these articles.

One of the German ones even says the "behaviour of pedestrians does appear to account for some of this" :popcorn:

link for the Koln paper wrote:

"Fehler von Fussgangern"

There are also worries about the number of motorbikes in these stats throughout all the German speaking countries: these seem to show a link between nice sunny days und "increased KSI" amongst their numbers.

They even blaming "climate change" for all this carnage too. :roll:

Koln wrote:

Der Abruch des Positiv-Trends konnte eine Folge des KLIMAwandels sein

How?

Because "disappearance of nasty cold winter" mean longer Motor cycling season :roll:

So more can get themselves killed.. :roll:

No.. no the weather .. but over-reliance on a scam und scratching und farting around for an excuse when all of sudden it not do what it say on the tin und regressed back to mean as one rather more intelligent chap .. the one who started a hard hitting campaign und who will never be forgotten - told you years ago already :bow:

to Paul

They are now calling for better training - especially for motorcyclists und cyclists .. so penny or Euro cent might appear to be dropping a little.

In fairness they saying in the Koln article that in reality - if you consider the car volume now 5 times that of 1970 - in real terms the KSI ist 85% lower than back then. We not exactly comparing like with like .. given all the improvements to these vehicles.

Only human proneness to accident.. ability to fully use .. understand how to use all the gadgets. be trained to use each new safety feature properly has maybe not developed as quickly und stupidity or just looking the wrong way at the wrong time..

So focus on training has to be the way forward.. und Germany's stats are slightly skewed to worse showing by their East not having the same levels of training amongst its older drivers - plus some really scary road engineering from the old Stasi regime over there. :popcorn:

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 13:17

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translation (bable fish)

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25.02.08, 14:59h PROVIDES, UPDATES 723 dead ones on North-Rhine/Westphalia roads 25.02.08, 15:16h Wood crosses at the roadside: The number of the traffic deads in North-Rhine/Westphalia is gesteigen. Articles mailen pressure version Duesseldorf - after decrease for many years of the deadly accidents in the traffic in North Rhine-Westphalia for the first time again more humans died. In the past year 732 humans died with traffic accidents, four (0.5 per cent) more than in the previous year. The number of the hurt ones rose on Monday the presented traffic accident balance of the country according to even by four per cent or nearly 3300 to 84,800. The police counted altogether 572,400 accidents three per cent more. The rise of the deaths was caused by the group of the motorradfahrer: The number of the killed Biker rose around nearly nine per cent to 125. "the risk in the traffic to be killed is higher for a motorradfahrer 18 times than for a driver", said North-Rhine/Westphalia Ministers of the Interior Ingo wolf (FDP). The abort of the positive trend could be a consequence of the climatic change: The motorcycle season begins straight by "disappearing the winter" clearly rather and with the prelude of the season accumulated itself up the deadly accidents. It gives a clear connection between sunny days and motorcycle accidents. Wolf called the motorradfahrer to participate in safety trainings. Accident statistics for the number of the children killed in the traffic registers a historical lowest point: It was reduced clearly from 24 to 17 cases. The number of the hurt children increased however by 43 to 8440 easily. From the 17-jaehrigen driving beginners, who may do in company of an adult to tax, nobody had an accident deadly - with nevertheless 65,000 driving beginners under age. The number of the killed road users is the secondarylowest despite the easy rise since existence of the statistics, stressed wolf. 1964 daily if 13 humans on the North-Rhine/Westphalia roads came to death, 2007 still two had been. While the number of the cars in North-Rhine/Westphalia from 1970 to today verfuenffacht itself nearly, the number of the killing in the same period decreased/went back by 84 per cent. With the causes for heavier accidents bending and turning increased clearly as well as to small safety margin and Ruecksichtslosigkeit opposite pedestrians. Against it high speed and error played a smaller role of pedestrians to. In the Land of the Federal Republic comparison the closely settled North Rhine-Westphalia can show the smallest death risk with the surface countries. While in North-Rhine/Westphalia per 100,000 inhabitant 4.1 accident-dead were to be deplored in the year 2007, about twice as many people in thin settled East German the Lands of the Federal Republic (dpa) died

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As few traffic deads as never Pressure-dispatch-previous side In the last year there were not altogether 4,970 accident-dead 25 February 2008 on German roads 2007 as little humans around the life came as ever since introduction of the statistics before 55 years. Altogether 4,970 accident-dead were counted, that were 121 or 2.4 per cent of less than 2006, how the Federal Statistical Office reports. The 5.000er-Marke had been fallen below never before. However the number of the accidents and the hurt one rose. Unterm line had to accept the police 2007 approximately 2.3 million accidents, 2.7 per cent more than 2006. The number of the hurt ones increased by 2,2 per cent on 431.500. Compared with 1970 the number of the deaths sank now on less than a quarter. In view of the numbers for the first six months 2007 still another increase had been feared. Per day statistically about 14 humans on German roads died. For the individual kinds of accident the statisticians still no numbers for the whole year were present, only for the first ten months: Thus alone the number of the motorradfahrer killed increased by 3,9 per cent in the comparison to the same period of the previous year from January to Octobers. However the number of the killed children and young people (under 15 years) decreased/went back at the same time by 9,1 per cent. In accidents with passenger car 2,191 humans, 0.1 per cent died more than from January to October 2006 in this period. To the topic History of the speed limit: 50 years speed 50 first quarter 2007: More traffic dead by mild winter as little traffic dead as never before in altogether six Lands of the Federal Republic gave it more traffic dead than in the previous year: Thus the number in Bremen by 19 per cent, in the Saarland by 11 per cent, in Bavaria by 8,9 per cent, in Hamburg by 7,1 per cent, in Lower Saxony by 4,5 per cent and in Brandenburg increased by 0,4 per cent. Proportionally most strongly the number of the traffic deads went to Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania (minus 22 per cent) into Berlin back (minus 24 per cent), and into Rhineland-Palatinate (minus 18 per cent). One million each inhabitant 60 persons died on the average with traffic accidents in the past year. Under the Federal average were the three city states Berlin (16), Hamburg (17) and Bremen (29) as well as North Rhine-Westphalia (40). Over it the East German of countries Brandenburg (103) clearly ranked, Saxonia-Anhalt (87) and Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania (86). Depth lake announces road safety campaign Federal Minister of Transport Wolfgang depth lake explained the record low with a more prudent behavior of the road users and spoke of a success. "however each victim is in the traffic too much", said the SPD politician in Berlin. "therefore we may not rest ourselves on the reached one." Particularly against the high number at motorcycle accidents it wants to proceed after own words with clearing-up measures. Traffic federations spoke in view of the numbers made of Wiesbaden also of a pleasing development, requested the Federal Government however to develop their commitment with the road safety still more fully. According to estimate General German Automobile Association must be defused far points of most frequent accidents and security on highways be improved. The traffic club Germany (VCD) pointed out that the death numbers had more slowly sunk in the past years ever. In addition steige the number of the hurt ones ever further on. "there the alarm bells should actually shrill", said the deputy VCD chairman Hermann Hermann-Josef Vogt. "cyclists and pedestrians do not have Airbag", said the traffic political speaker of the VCD, Gerd Lottsiepen. Therefore it must give speed limit of 120 kilometers per hour on motorways and of 90 kilometers per hour on highways.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 21:40

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Und you think my English bad :hehe:

I think I have edge on Babbly Fishy :hehe:

You have to work on what it says und work out how to convert to normal lingo :wink:

But no matter. I just I too lazy to translate it all. :lol:

OK I will "manipulate" the text as it stand to save time typing. Maybe I manage to spell right.. as it quoting liebster anton :love:

Our Perfect Past tense ( which ist the "has done/has been/has had/has taken/has risen" .. it has "to have plus past participle bit" .. but verb of motion in German use verb "to be". :wink:

so "ist climbed" become "has risen"

I give little lesson as well so that you can tweek the Babbly Fishy to make perfect English here. :lol:

I try to help here :boxedin:

to use the tools properly und this also for spinny who messed up a translation once when the little trollster pet reptile or our little safest forum got into right slither with big cousin Klaril :rotfl:

once ..

The "mailen pressure bit ist the invite for e-mail comments :wink:

Mensch = human being = people in normal talky talk :lol:

If you are "hurt" - you are injured :lol:

German ist a bit direct .. we say what we say.. but our lingo ist not as rich. It why I try to play.. make umpteen words when you Brits use one or two :rotfl:

Es gibt.. mean it gives. there ist....

It the same as French Il y a which mean "it has there"

:wink:

Sorry .. I not intend to give lessons here.. but I try to help you all use a translator tool :wink:

anton wrote:

translation (bable fish)

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25.02.08, 14:59h Udated

723 dead on North-Rhine/Westphalia roads

Wooden crosses at the roadside:

The number of the traffic deads in North-Rhine/Westphalia has risen. Duesseldorf - for the first time, after many years of a reduction in fatal road accidents in North Rhine-Westphalia more people have died. In the past year 732 people died in traffic accidents, four (0.5 per cent) more than in the previous year. The number of the Injured ones rose according to the national statisitcs published on Monday by four per cent or by nearly 3300 to 84,800. The police counted altogether 572,400 accidents - three per cent more. The rise of the deaths was caused by the motorbikers: The number of killed Biker rose around nearly nine per cent to 125. "the risk for a biker in the traffic to be killed 18 times higher than for a driver", said North-Rhine/Westphalia Ministers of the Interior Ingo wolf (FDP). The set back in the positive trend could be a consequence of the climatic change: The motorcycle season begins directly because " winter ist disappearing" with the reult that the early season und sunny weather have causes a surge in FATAL accidents. There ist a clear link between sunny days and motorcycle accidents. Wolf called for bikers to participate in safety training.

Accident statistics for the number of the children killed in the traffic registers a historical lowest point: It was reduced clearly from 24 to 17 cases. The number of injured children increased however by 43 to 8440 easily. From the 17-year old learner drivers , who may be in company of an adult whilst at the steering wheel , nobody had a fatal accident - despite 65,000 learners The number of the killed road users is the second lowest despite the SLIGHT rise since records began, stressed wolf. If 13 humans on the North-Rhine/Westphalia roads were killed in 1964 , 2007 ist really just two people. While there are almost 5 times the number of the cars in North-Rhine/Westphalia today from 1970, the number of deaths in the same period decreased/went back by 84 per cent. cCauses for more serious accidents are crossing traffic, not keeping a decent gap and some inattention as regards pedestrians. [ibspeed played a less major role as did pedestrain error [/b] . IN COMPAROSON TO REST OF THE fED STATES - Pfalz has the least risk of death. Whilst in North-Rhine/Westphalia per 100,000 inhabitant 4.1 accident-dead were to be mourned in the year 2007, about twice as many people in a more sparsely populated East Germany died

You see .. you have to work it out und then put into format you understanding.

I think you might just understand why I have problem now .. :popcorn:

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 22:01

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Key word if you all googly//

Taste= key of keyboard

Drucken.. =PRESS .. as in SUBMIT.. SEND.. :wink:

It mean "Push" on a shop door :wink:

"Ziehen" mean "pull" if you in these stores abroad. :wink:

I know it a bit difficult .. I am trying to find a UK paper which has carried version of these stats as they are important. It important to know exactly what happen abroad .. to measure properly just how much "single focus" on speed not help matter or what the others do to try to get the KSI down. Ja.. sure.. Germany has speed cams. They can be sneaky too :roll:

in odd busy places :yikes:

But they also looking hard at other reasons for tragedy. They appear to accept this in these press releases too. und it should not be forgotten that their A/bahn are varied limitfrom 81 mph in limited stretch to whatever on derestricts.. but the KSI ist low.. very low which make them safest in EU in real term despite the position 5. UK has lowest speed limit of all. In 4th place after the 81 mph countries :wink:

If you like .. I will translate or state what each paragraph mean so that easy comparison with the babbly fishy. I gave what I think a summary of what they all said initially. But I will translate properly ..

I decide just to summarise .. give the links as source of the information und not past up all the foreign lingo as was short of time at time of posting up :paperbag: I also forget that whilst these lingos are as normal to me as English to you all.. they as foreign to you as English can be to me sometimes. I have decent command. Mama ist English.. but as I explain.. I happen to be youngest of largest family. I got Mama's learned German und not the full bi-lingual immersion. I then get teacher who expect me to be fluent because of Mama being English .. und I just sassed back in childish rebellion .. which did not bode well here :roll:

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 22:28

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First.. apology to anton. I sure he not take offence. Babbly Fishy translate sort of. You have to work on the results really. I admit I was being way too lazy. I sorry. I should have pasted und translated or summarised. My faults. :boxedin:

I know .. I see ... read these as "natural to me" But it not natural to you .. und I am not being condescending or patronising as I have to "fish" for word in English sometimes und I feel uneasy on a phone as I have to concentrate on what I hear.. reply.. It why I not use phones very much :wink:

.. but those I do chat to// meet in flesh.. I think they do work out what I try to say. :lol:

Ok the other bit says

It was too confusing to me to type over it.

my own translationof the second piece in liebsten antons bravest attempt wrote:

Never since the introduction of the statistics 55 years ago have so few died on German roads

In total 4970 deaths were recorded. - that would be 121 o4 2.4% less than in 2006 - according to the National Office for Stats.

Never before has less than 5K been recorded.

All the same the number of accidents und seriously injured has INCREASED. Police had to attend ca 2.3 million accidents .. 2.7 more than in 2006. The number of KSI increased to 2.2% to 431,500

In comparison to 1970 .. the number killed has decreased by a quarter. An increase was feared for the first 7 months of 2007. Per day a statistical toll of 14 died on German roads.

The office for Nat Stats does not yet have the figures as to causes of the accidents for the whole year - only for the first 10 months.

In the first 10 months alone from Jan-Okt.. the number of motor cyclists killed on the roads rose by 3.9% nin comparison to toll of the previous year for the same period.

At the same time.. the number of children nd under 15s reduced by 9.1% 2191 Occupants of ordinary saloon vehicles died within this period. An increase of 0.1% in comparison with the period Jan-)Kt 2006.

In total .. 6 Federal states recorded an increase in Killed on the previous year.. Bremen had a 19% increase.. Saarland. 11% Bavaria 8.9% und Hamburg 7.1%

I will point out that in the case of Bremen.. this area already below national German average despite a sensational 19% increase :popcorn:

Bremen another area not 100% sold on cams. :popcorn:

Any glitch.. und they get well hammered over it all :popcorn:

Basel record low urban fatality .. but this area has a/route problem not suffered by rest of the Kantonen :popcorn:

But they at a cross-route of borderlands. It does impact .. :popcorn:

It not reflect that bad on Basel in real safety led term to be fair und honest. :popcorn:

I think .. und I way off topic here.. but I think I give good reason for perseverance with learning another lingo. It give you insights.. understanding of other culture und also just what happen or opinion of others who are much kindred spirited but feel just that relaxed when chatting in own lingos .. if you understand what I try to say .. rather badly :boxedin:

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