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So, road pricing is off ?
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Times Online

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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Yeah I saw that. Despite constantly banging on about financial struggles and the need to raise revenue, they are quite ok to waste it on fucking morons researching the already rejected idea of road pricing. bastards

And you haven't even mentioned the swingeing increases in VED.

A car with a CO2 output of 181-185 g/km (i.e. a very bog-standard family car) will see VED rise from £170 in 2008-09 to £260 in 2009-10 and £270 in 2010-2011

You can download the full budget report here:

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/news/nol/sha ... report.pdf

The VED table is on page 131 of 222.

And the 4p a pint rise in beer duty will only serve to accelerate the rate of pub closures and promote uncontrolled drinking at home or in the street, and cross-border shopping and smuggling

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So, those people with older larger cars (a.k.a. hard working families) registered after March 2001 will get really clobbered.

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Malcolm W.
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Yes, from the table it looks like the cap on cars registered between March 2001 and March 2006 will be removed. So annual VED could go up from £170 to £440 in a year. Wonderful

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I particularly like paying so much VED when I only use my car for ~4000 miles a year.

Yet again we have lt ourselves be conned by the use of the word "poluting"

When cars produce C02 it is called polution....When animals produce it it is called respiration.

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And, loads of people will run around in clapped out underpowered 1300 compact cars belching out filth while pristine large cars with loads of life left in them rot away in scrap yards.

How eco-friendly.

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Can someone please explain to me what this actually means?

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I can't explain but I'd also like to point out in the reports I read they kept using the term "in real terms from 2010" - whenever they use "real terms" they are hiding something or up to something

Could it actually mean the cost rise due to inflation plus 0.5p?
If the inflation index is, say, 3% then the increase would be 3% of £1.00 (say) = 3p, plus 0.5p = 3.5p per litre. Does this sound right?

To make matters worse, the fuel price increase is one of the major drivers of inflation - the more the fuel price increase the higher the inflation, the more the fuel price increase....

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2g of CO2 is going cost my wife £115, her 2002 car puts out 227g/km you see. The fact it only does about 3500 miles a year will not be taken into account. At one point we did fantasise about parking it outside Downing street and setting fire to it to make a sufficiently ironic statement.

This government is going is going to cause a backlash which will harm environmental causes massively.

Now where is that incinerator? I have some plastic bottles which are just too much effort to wash and put in the recycle bin.

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Why do the Government always make everything so complicated. If they just raised tax on fuel and scrapped road tax then:

- evasion would be pretty difficult
- an individual's cost would then be related to the (so called) pollution created
- people with larger cars would not be penalised if they only drove low mileages
- no additional collection resource would be needed.

A retrospective tax on ownership is extremely unfair.

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Malcolm W.
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Well, I think it's time for a trip to the Auzzie embacy.. I have 130 points (min. 100) so...

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From what I understand Australia aint much better

I have good friends living out there who would beg to differ...

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

Ah well I'm going on the words of an Aussie who rented a room at my place for a year and a friend who spent 3 months out there.

Fair comment!

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So imagine a 2001 car that is only worth £800 (which isn't far off for some models) but happens to be in a high emissions band.. Is the owner going to pay 50% of the car's value for a year's road tax?

And if he's not paying road tax, he may as well not bother with MOT and insurance either...

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Likewise..........
I use my "Gas guzzler" during the summer months only. I leave it in the Garage during the winter NOT because of any TAX, but to preserve it!

Since October my "Gas guzzler" has not produced ONE OUNCE of Co2 and will not do so until April or May.
Like you Johnny, mine does a similar annual mileage. Many 1000cc cars produce much more Co2 annually than MY "Gas Guzzler"!!!!!!!! So you greenies stick THAT in your pipe and smoke it...Get rid of your polluting Micras and walk!

It's a Tax on ownership and that's plainly wrong. It blatantly doesn't allow for intelligent usage.
I used to leave my "Road Tax" (what an unPC name that now is) running through winter despite not using the car, but NO MORE! From now on, what I don't use I'm going to claim back!
......and they don't even allow you to select your usage anymore, It's either, 12 months tax...or 6 months (+ a premium charge). If they were serious they would make owning and using a large and a small car sensibly both easier and cheaper.....

SCRAP the Road Tax!..........The Government takes a whopping 300% tax on fuel alone. What the hell more do they want more for? Allow us some flexibility and we could help your aims maybe!

I gave up Smoking (high tax) years ago........ Next to go will be ..the drink! (high tax) after that......the meals out and trips to tourist haunts in the UK!

Giving that at least 90% of my annual mileage of around 4500 miles in my:.."Gas Guzzler" is now out of the UK, and therefore my tourist spending is spent somewhere else. The car will be the last thing to go...

Mr Darling....."Darling"...You will have to shut down the entire UK economy first before I give up my car!.......OK?