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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 21:59 
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Bailiffs move in on Riverdance man
Deborah Linton
27/ 3/2008

A MOTORIST fined for playing his Riverdance CD too loudly is now fighting off bailiffs.

Markus Aitken has refused to pay the £30 penalty notice he got in 2004.

Costs added since then mean he now owes £270 - and the father of two has been called on by bailiffs five times.

The battle started when Mr Aitken, from Littleborough, Rochdale, stopped to ask an officer for directions in Bury.

She pointed the keen Irish dancer in the right direction before turning her attention to his music and giving him a ticket for 'excessive noise'.

The 33-year old insists he wants his day in court and evidence he committed an offence.

The last time bailiffs came to collect the money was at 7.30am. Mr Aitken says they shouted threats through the letterbox, while he was inside with his girlfriend and their two sons, aged four and four months.

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They left an hour later, empty handed.

"It's just a farce - all this over Riverdance," said Mr Aitken, a recovery driver.

"It's hardly offensive and I don't believe it was too loud as I was able to have a conversation with the policewoman across a busy main road while it was playing.

"If there is evidence that I have committed an offence I will pay but I am waiting for them to take me to court to prove it."

Bailiffs visited his parents' pub, in Whitefield, four times in the months following the incident before turning up at his family home without a warrant.

A member of staff at Drake's Bailiffs said: "We're not chasing this any further. We will refer it to the magistrates' court."

A GMP spokesman said fixed penalty notices could be issued if officers believed a vehicle was causing 'excessive noise' and if that noise could be 'avoided by the exercise of reasonable care on the part of the driver'.



I honestly do not know how loudly he was playing this.

We have our in-car music system at mellow levels .. and we usually choose fave but melllowly "spirited" tunes. :lol:

I guess all have own tastes.. whilst I do enjoy Irish folk music.. Irish rock music.. Irish lilty music. I cannot say this Riverdance was ever to my own taste and would consider playing this a "crime" to my ears :wink: but I concede many did like it. :roll:

But despite the taste in music.. just how loud does it have to be to be considered a "crime" and if the bloke with, what is to me, a naff taste in music played it too loudly.. I wonder how come he and the person he asked managed to hear each other :? :? :popcorn:

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Riverdance? Pah, waste of space. The Tiller Girls were far more appealing.

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I would have thought a quick 'could you turn it down sir' would have sufficed.

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Looks like there are some police that are "trigger happy" on the FPNs

More evidence that there motorists are treated as second class citizens.

You can get an instant fine from the police for playing music too loud (totally subjective) at ANY time

But if your neighbour cranks up their music the police don't want to know. Nothing to do with them.

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Surely you can refuse a fixed penalty and elect to go to court? If you can't have your alleged offense considered by independent and impartial persons, then what is to stop the police just ticketing everybody all of the time for trumped-up charges?

Also, why are bailiffs being sent round? Doesn't it have to go to court first - or are the police acting like dodgey parking enforcement companies using intimidation to collect their "fines"?

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Surely you can refuse a fixed penalty and elect to go to court? If you can't have your alleged offense considered by independent and impartial persons, then what is to stop the police just ticketing everybody all of the time for trumped-up charges?

Also, why are bailiffs being sent round? Doesn't it have to go to court first - or are the police acting like dodgey parking enforcement companies using intimidation to collect their "fines"?

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dunno how many "offences" are covered, but as far as parking goes they can take you to court for non-payment and appoint baliffs, evan though you have no option of asking the court to prove your own guilt of the "offence", they only establish guilt of non-payment.

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Surely this could well be one of those council appointed traffic enforcement officers - which would go a long way to explaining the whole debacle!!

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as I was able to have a conversation with the policewoman across a busy main road

He might have been confused by the uniform?
If so he is probably lucky to not get a ticket for parking while he was asking directions!!

Does this mean I can make the bin men in my street collect the rubbish a little quieter? :roll:

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Does this mean I can make the bin men in my street collect the rubbish a little quieter?


On that note, What exactly constitutes a "Horn"?

I was awakened the other morning at about 04:00hrs by a truck going BEEP-BEEP-BEEP whilst performing a reversing manouvere!

Surly this consitutes a "Horn" and that therefore the sounding of it within a built up area during the proscribed period constitutes an offence!

(It certainly was for me! :x )

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Does this mean I can make the bin men in my street collect the rubbish a little quieter?


On that note, What exactly constitutes a "Horn"?

I was awakened the other morning at about 04:00hrs by a truck going BEEP-BEEP-BEEP whilst performing a reversing manouvere!

Surly this consitutes a "Horn" and that therefore the sounding of it within a built up area during the proscribed period constitutes an offence!

(It certainly was for me! :x )


Yes, reversing bleepers come under the same regs as horns..illegal to use 2330 - 0700. Considerate companies wire the bleepers through the lights. Lights on = bleeper off. Advantage of cancelling bleeper in daylight by turning on lights!


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I don't know whether to be amused or appalled by this.

Isn't this a law that's supposed to be aimed at youngsters with 20 subwoofers in the back of their Corsa cruising up and down Southend playing drum'n'bass, not some guy playing fake folk music on a (presumably stock) car stereo.

Then again, it was RiverDance.

I do suspect that this may have more to do with the officer/warden's dislike of the particular choice of music, which is worrying, though not unprecedented in UK law.


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Update in today's Sexpress..

It seem the magistrates wiped out the debt. It seem too from his appearance on the Whine prog that this was original CD in car und thus no "chav mobile type blaster"

He thinks the Wpc hated "Riverdance" (I cannot say I blame her :hehe:)

Personally - if I ask anyone for directions - I switch off the the in-car entertainment as I think this afford respect to person I want the help from. :wink:

The crux seem to be each party could hear the other despite the background music - but I think I would still switch it off anyways.

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