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and not abiding by section 88 of the road traffic act and inpouding my car .... what about that then .... explain that ...

WTF does section 88 have to do with you driving a vehicle that shouldn't be on the road in the first place?

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andrew0077 wrote:
they inpounded my car under s165 of the road traffic act 1988

s165 is about a valid driving licence ( not having) ....

S165 is about being fully legal, not just about whether you have a license or not

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so they said my driving licence has been revoked .... so they impounded my car for it ...

Erm, if you don't have a license then you shouldn't be on the road.....hence you lose your vehicle if caught.

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according to D.V.L.A they say yes i can drive for a period of 12 months
under a revokation set by the laws from them ...

Please feel free to show me the legislation that says you can drive for 12 months after your license has been revoked.

andrew0077 wrote:
and what about stealing my photocard licence .... and not giving it ne back

If DVLA have revoked your license and you are still in possession of it, then they have every right to take it from you.

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my solicitor said they shouldnt have done that ..

No doubt your solicitor is laughing all the way to court then.

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I & possibly others find you rather unclear andrew. Try using paragraphs, full stops and proof reading things and people here will have a lot more time for you.

Now, I have very little respect for police nowadays (once upon a time I used to play devils advocate defending them and challenging the views of people within my social group, but no more), but if your ranting on here is indicative of how you dealt with the police I wouldn't be suprised if you got a bum deal- they're still people, and appreciate being taken seriously and shown respect.

Was your driving licence revoked previously, or because of your bald tyres? If previously, what was it for, and am I correct in thinking you are allowed to drive despite it being revoked? If it was revoked because of the tyres, why, was it totting up with previous points or soley the tyre issue?

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This chap is clearly a troll why is he being entertained?


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andrew0077 wrote:
they inpounded my car under s165 of the road traffic act 1988

s165 is about a valid driving licence ( not having) ....

so they said my driving licence has been revoked .... so they impounded my car for it ...




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152 Power to seize etc. vehicles driven without licence or insurance

After section 165 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52) insert—
“165A Power to seize vehicles driven without licence or insurance

(1) Subsection (5) applies if any of the following conditions is satisfied.

(2) The first condition is that—

(a) a constable in uniform requires, under section 164, a person to produce his licence and its counterpart for examination,

(b) the person fails to produce them, and

(c) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is or was being driven by the person in contravention of section 87(1).

(3) The second condition is that—

(a) a constable in uniform requires, under section 165, a person to produce evidence that a motor vehicle is not or was not being driven in contravention of section 143,

(b) the person fails to produce such evidence, and

(c) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that the vehicle is or was being so driven.

(4) The third condition is that—

(a) a constable in uniform requires, under section 163, a person driving a motor vehicle to stop the vehicle,

(b) the person fails to stop the vehicle, or to stop the vehicle long enough, for the constable to make such lawful enquiries as he considers appropriate, and

(c) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that the vehicle is or was being driven in contravention of section 87(1) or 143.

(5) Where this subsection applies, the constable may—

(a) seize the vehicle in accordance with subsections (6) and (7) and remove it;

(b) enter, for the purpose of exercising a power falling within paragraph (a), any premises (other than a private dwelling house) on which he has reasonable grounds for believing the vehicle to be;

(c) use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of any power conferred by paragraph (a) or (b).

(6) Before seizing the motor vehicle, the constable must warn the person by whom it appears that the vehicle is or was being driven in contravention of section 87(1) or 143 that he will seize it—

(a) in a section 87(1) case, if the person does not produce his licence and its counterpart immediately;

(b) in a section 143 case, if the person does not provide him immediately with evidence that the vehicle is not or was not being driven in contravention of that section.

But the constable is not required to give such a warning if the circumstances make it impracticable for him to do so.

(7) If the constable is unable to seize the vehicle immediately because the person driving the vehicle has failed to stop as requested or has driven off, he may seize it at any time within the period of 24 hours beginning with the time at which the condition in question is first satisfied.

(8) The powers conferred on a constable by this section are exercisable only at a time when regulations under section 165B are in force.

(9) In this section—

(a) a reference to a motor vehicle does not include an invalid carriage;

(b) a reference to evidence that a motor vehicle is not or was not being driven in contravention of section 143 is a reference to a document or other evidence within section 165(2)(a);

(c) “counterpart” and “licence” have the same meanings as in section 164;

(d) “private dwelling house” does not include any garage or other structure occupied with the dwelling house, or any land appurtenant to the dwelling house.

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 Post subject: Re: illegal piggies
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andrew0077 wrote:
................ i have the letter from them


But what was your licence revoked for?

Medical reasons?

Failing to submit it for endorsement quickly enough?

Under the 'new drivers' act?

What?

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This chap is clearly a troll why is he being entertained?

It's just like school kids watching flies struggle when they land in the water - every time they look like getting out, you push them back out with a stick. :roll:

I can see why he WOULD be persecuted by the police - he clearly has the ability to rub anyone up the wrong way.
We know they shouldn't do it, but there are always a few who will!

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andrew0077 wrote:
and as for the tyres why not give me a fixed penalty for this instead of taking a car when police officers dont abide from laws from D.V.L.A i contacted D.V.L.A and they tod me yes i am correct i can drive on the road so why take my car ....


What give you a fixed penalty and let you drive the car off with illegal tyres?


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andrew0077 wrote:
well D.V.L.A tell me they shouldnt have taken my car from me ......


Well, quite, but you still wouldn't have been able to drive it until you replaced the tyres, the police wouldn't have let you just drive off.


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I find this individual's remarks maligning British service personnel serving in Iraq to be deeply objectionable, and request that they be removed forthwith.


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maybe the governement should ask for your expertise over iraq :D


They already have it, I'm a serving Commissioned Officer in Her Majesty's Royal Air Force. Remind me who the devil you are to be making ill-informed comments on the performance of our Armed Forces overseas?


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andrew0077 wrote:
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maybe the governement should ask for your expertise over iraq :D


They already have it, I'm a serving Commissioned Officer in Her Majesty's Royal Air Force. Remind me who the devil you are to be making ill-informed comments on the performance of our Armed Forces overseas?


well robin ... do me a favour then go and tell your lovely employees who work for the government and spend tax payers money .... and fighter pilots on 70k a year for flying a piece of electrified peice of equiptment made from B.A.E systems over iraq and also go and do something usefull and parachute some water to the people of darfuur . your the genious here .... do something constructive for ill people who cant do anything for themselves
instead of taking money from the people that pay your wages


Ah, I could almost have anticipated your insightful sociopolitical observations...

Who am I kidding. What on earth does the above incoherent, illiterate rambling even mean? Do you want the Armed Forces replacing the NHS, helping 'ill people'? You never actually specified what I am supposed to tell my 'lovely employees'. Who but the people who pay my wages, should pay my wages? Are you rightly suggesting that military pilots should be paid more, and that we should look for more competitive suppliers than BAe?

No, the fact of the matter is, you're yet another illiterate prole; ill-informed through your own willingess to be spoon-fed opinions on topics of which you have zero understanding.

Regardless, my request for the removal of your imbecilic, and libellous, comments about the conduct of our Servicemen in Iraq was not made to you, but to the moderators, who I would also suggest might be minded to remove you at the same time.


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