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Rigpig,

The last part of the above is what the OU calls a 'rash generalisation'.



The myth is becoming a reality through usage.



Yes they do, by flashing, honking, fingers and the most dangerous of all - cutting in.



True



Well, it is the shortest distance between two points.



It's called freedom.



In the slow lane?

C.

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Folks,

Just to put the troll thing to one side, and maybe for me to keep some small credibility on the forum.

Shall we pack in this thread?

C.

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Only known or suspected trolls, if memory serves me correctly, apologies if I'm mistaken.

At the risk of repeating myself, maybe you missed my question given that you seem to be far more concerned with plays on words than with real debate, despite your previous "this thread's going nowhere":

We all agree that middle-lane-moronism happens. You've observed that it happens. Do you think that it is therefore legitimate just because others do it?

And a new one. You've made utterly irrelevant comparisons between a MLM at 70 and someone following him or her at the same speed with their hands off the wheel for some reason. However:

Do you think someone continuously driving in L2 irrespective of the traffic conditions is a better or worse driver than one doing 80 but using correct lane discipline? No other factors between them being different.

Johnny,

Good grief, are you saying that anyone who disagrees with you is a troll?



Johnny,

As our motorways become more congested, all the traffic won't fit into L1. It's a matter of physics.



If I gave the fingers at every car in front of me on the motorway I would be at it all day. That's hardly irrelevant. It's just a fact of life that sometimes there will be cars in front, even in L3 believe it or not. Yes there are L3 hoggers too!



I don't think I have said that a person should drive continuously in L2 irrespective of traffic conditions.

However, if you think that lane swapping at 80mph on a motorway (when busy) is conducive to good driving then I am not entirely convinced. It is skilfull though, as the many bike vids on utube will confirm.

C.

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That wasn't my interpretation of what he said. He just said that in this thread, the only people who agreed with you were people who had previously shown themselves to be trolls by common agreement.


But do you think middle lane moronism is legitimate?




Please would you answer the question? Is the L2 driver better or worse than the 80mph driver?

(We have a poster here called weepej who tends to avoid answering difficult questions, and I'm sure you don't want to be tarred with the same brush.)

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"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

Don't know who made it -this one's too long to wade through .

For the sake of historical accuracy , I would find that if you could get hold of an early Hicghway code ( in the days when the M1 went from about Leeds to what is now Gateway services ,with cars trying to maintain 70MPH , then would find that was the advice given . Suspect that the MOT/DOT as it once was found out just how embarrasingly wrong this was and quickly changed it to "Keep to the most practical left hand lane ,unless overtaking ".

The problem is that the old advice was /is dificult to get rid of ,and never really seemed to be policed .

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Who cares.
This thread is to long.
Any lane is ok as long as it isn't the outside lane you're driving along at 40mph.
Been on the m1 this morning, got on on L1, then moved to L2 from J13 to J14, then moved to L1 to exit.
All the driver input needed to constantly be moving from L1 to L2 then back is too tiring.

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And there you have it folks. With a series of glib, crass and inane answers that completely avoid the points being raised our poster, who claims he wants to try and analyse the psychology behind middle lane moroning, immediately quashes any attempt to do so.
Well done Cooler, well done.
I think I can draw a line under my own contributions to this thread as you clearly have nothing meaningful or valid to offer the psychological analysis other than:
1. Everyone does it
2. It helps you get to where you want with the least effort.

And we wonder why driving on our roads is becoming such a chore for those of us who actual try to put some thought into the process I think we have our answer.

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(Times we disagree ,mate - this time I'm 100% behind you )

Perhaps the time has come (after 20 pages of ??) to send this suspected troll to somewhere cooler .

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bombus,

1. 'Suspected' troll is not the same as troll 'by general agreement'. This is not a totalitarian forum I hope (For troll read dissident?).

2. Question - "Is the L2 driver better or worse than the 80mph driver."

Well, it depends on why a driver is in L2. I would say that a driver making a longish overtaking manoevre in L2 is within the law and a driver doing 80mph on the UK motorway system is outside the law. However, safespeed on an empty motorway is a matter for disussion, as is lane position on an empty motorway.

But, the real comparison is between the L2 driver who wants to linger in that lane unreasonably and the driver who bullies that driver out of that lane with threatening driving behaviour. I have noticed a marked lack of enthusiasm here to condemn the bully driver; although not by everyone.

C.

PS - Your comment about being 'tarred' makes me think of being 'tarred and feathered'. I hope that isn't the fate in store for me!

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Rigpig,

Cripes, would that be the Gulag Archipelago by any chance?

C.

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botach,

Well, my only copy of the Highway Code does date from around the time I passed my test. Hmmm.

C.

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jomukuk,

Nice post.

C.

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Rigpig,

You have summed it up excellently IMHO. 70mph steadily in the middle lane beats bursts of overtaking at illegal speeds followed by getting stuck at 50mph behind an artic any day of the week (and no speeding points).

Most people just want a nice, easy and safe and NIP free drive.

C.

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In another 20 Watt attempt to score points off the fact that I believe that rules and driving do go hand in hand, you have quoted the wrong person.
Engage brain...



False dilemma logical fallacy alert. Nobody here is suggesting that the alternative to cruising mindlessly up the middle lane at 70 mph is 'burst of speed' followed by 'getting boxed in'.
Your attempt to exmine the psychology of the issue lies in flames again. Oh dear.

Although you are completely unknown to any of us here Cooler, your persona is making a total arse of itself I'm afraid.

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Sound to me as thought he weren’t trying to get down to the physiology behind MLM’s, he was just trying to justify being one himself and, believes every other driver should compensate for his lazy driving, then wonders why other drivers get frustrated.

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Rigpig,

This thread has become so involved and cumbersome that I hardly know what day it is, never mind who I'm quoting!



I don't know what a 'false dilemma logical fallacy' is but I doubt if we are doing it here. We have made some analogies, on all sides of the argument, and some are better than others.

Anyway, I have passed enough BMWs and Mercs that have sped passed me in L3 and then ended up boxed in L1 to speak with some confidence. I wonder why they do this? Sometimes they cross right in front of me from L3 to L1.



Don't lose heart, Rigpig, the coherent argument always shows best than the clever argument that doesn't follow.



I'm not so sure. I haven't been beaten into submission by others' views, and I don't hold rigid views myself on this topic, which isn't a bad outcome on the personal front. But this isn't personal. it is a look at the views and prejudices of drivers on a live issue.

C.

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Dixie,

How can 33% of drivers compensate for the driving of 66% of drivers? It would be a hopeless endeavour.

C.

PS - It's psychology. Physiology is something different. Easy mistake to make though.

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You’re quite right they can’t, that’s why motorway driving has become what it is today.

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I have no sympathy for that, you want to debate the issue so engage your brain and give some thought to what you are saying and who you are saying it to before you bang out a response. If its getting too complicated for you then say so.



If you don't know what it is, how can you know one way or the other whether false dilemma logical fallacies are being offered? As you clearly just shooting from the lip and can't be bothered to go and find anything out for yourself other than what you already know (or think you know), a false dilemma logical fallacy is to suggest that in a given situation there are only two options; the one you propose and another outrageous proposition that is designed to demonstrate that only your own idea is right.



They are making an attempt to use the motorway properly. And your singling out of those two car makes suggests you have a rather nasty prejudice smouldering away beneath the bonfire of nonsense you are spouting in this thread.



Correct. Your 'end-of-the-pier comedian' repsonses to our coherent arguments do not follow and suggest that you are rather disingenous in claiming to want to analyse the psychology of mlm'ing



If it is a look at the views and prejudices of drivers on live issues, why can you only respond to properly thought out argments with facile comments?

You are either very poor at debating or are simply taking the piss Cooler.

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