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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 13:05 
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http://www.harrogate.gov.uk/harrogate-2031

Harrogate Council wrote:
The Highway Code Says :-

You MUST NOT

* drive dangerously
* drive without due care and attention
* drive without reasonable consideration for other road users


You MUST NOT drive on or over a pavement, footpath or bridleway except to gain lawful access to property.
Adapt your driving to the appropriate type and condition of road you are on. In particular

* do not treat speed limits as a target. It is often not appropriate or safe to drive at the maximum speed limit
* take the road and traffic conditions into account. Be prepared for unexpected or difficult situations, for example, the road being blocked beyond a blind bend. Be prepared to adjust your speed as a precaution
* where there are junctions, be prepared for vehicles emerging
* in side roads and country lanes look out for unmarked junctions where nobody has priority
* try to anticipate what pedestrians and cyclists might do. If pedestrians, particularly children, are looking the other way, they may step out into the road without seeing you.

Be considerate. Be careful of and considerate towards other road users. You should

* try to be understanding if other drivers cause problems; they may be inexperienced or not know the area well
* be patient; remember that anyone can make a mistake
* not allow yourself to become agitated or involved if someone is behaving badly on the road. This will only make the situation worse. Pull over, calm down and, when you feel relaxed, continue your journey
* slow down and hold back if a vehicle pulls out into your path at a junction. Allow it to get clear. Do not over-react by driving too close behind it.


Safe driving needs concentration. Avoid distractions when driving such as

* loud music (this may mask other sounds)
* trying to read maps
* inserting a cassette or CD or tuning a radio
* arguing with your passengers or other road users
* eating and drinking

You MUST exercise proper control of your vehicle at all times.
You MUST NOT use a hand-held mobile phone, or similar device, when driving or when supervising a learner driver, except to call 999 or 112 in a genuine emergency when it is unsafe or impractical to stop. Never use a hand-held microphone when driving.
There is a danger of driver distraction being caused by in-vehicle systems such as route guidance and navigation systems, congestion warning systems, PCs, multi-media, etc. Do not operate, adjust or view any such system if it will distract your attention while you are driving; you MUST exercise proper control of your vehicle at all times. If necessary find a safe place to stop first.




So this is quoting the Highway Code. Really?

So you're not to read maps and you're to avoid viewing navigation systems as they will distract your attention while you are driving.' So you're not supposed to have a clue where you are going!!

So where does the Highway Code say all this claptrap?

Come come Harrogate Council, if quoting official documents, please make it clear what is your interpretation and what is actually quoted.

Items the code actually does cover including child seat use, alcohol and drugs aren't even mentioned!

If only councils obeyed the law themselves. Only a week go saw a car parked in the middle of the pavement showing 'a hand made sign 'Traffic survey."
On more than one occasion seen council vans completely blocking the footway while they mow the verges or other maintenance work.

One law for them and another for everyone else I suppose.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 13:27 
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I think that's all quoted verbatim from the latest issue of the HC:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTr ... /index.htm

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 14:39 
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If it is it is disgraceful. I believe you are right however.

How can a driver getting distressed because he is lost and cannot look a his map or use a satnav be a safe driver? What's he supposed to do?

All to often roads are blocked off eg a after Motorway crash or sometimes for no real reason. Everyone gets shunted off onto local minor roads, miles from an intended destination. A map or satnav becomes essential. Are the writers of the HC now completely out of touch?

And what of councils who flaunt the code so blatantly yet preach that others must obey it?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 16:13 
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JK wrote:
How can a driver getting distressed because he is lost and cannot look a his map or use a satnav be a safe driver? What's he supposed to do?


how about pulling over ?


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ed_m wrote:
JK wrote:
How can a driver getting distressed because he is lost and cannot look a his map or use a satnav be a safe driver? What's he supposed to do?


how about pulling over ?


It's not always possible to pull over legally and safely. If you hear of a problem on the motorway you can't just stop. Trying to read a map while driving is not very sensible but glancing at a satnav is perfectly safe.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 15:15 
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It does kind of render satnav pointless if you're not meant to use it.


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Johnnytheboy wrote:
It does kind of render satnav pointless if you're not meant to use it.

No it makes perfect sense. Like how we are meant to use cars. You buy it, you pay tax on it, then you pay to go by train.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 21:44 
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semitone wrote:
It's not always possible to pull over legally and safely. If you hear of a problem on the motorway you can't just stop. Trying to read a map while driving is not very sensible but glancing at a satnav is perfectly safe.


Agreed 100%. And if the SatNav is reading the road names/numbers as well you don't even need to glance at it. Setting up a new route while driving is clearly pretty dangerous like texting on a mobile. But how on earth can following directions be considered remotely dangerous? I don't understand that at all.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 02:20 
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An ideal Sat Nav would say: "Warning. You are driving towards Harrogate. Special hazards to watch out for are pedestrians, people with prams and wheelchair users who are forced to walk in the road due to Harrogate Council personnel parking on the pavement." :roll:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 09:42 
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It's not just Harrogate Council, it's endemic.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 18:11 
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Folks,

There is a good fast road into Harrogate from Skipton. As a boy I use to use it to speed test my motorbikes. I guess that's out of the question these days. :(

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