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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 02:01 
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A TOP-PERFORMING police speed camera operator has been sacked after his errors led to more than 500 offences being withdrawn.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 377687.ece


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 04:51 
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But I thought the device was infalable, self checking every day and would show an error message on an incorrect reading. :bunker:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:08 
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How can he not face criminal charges??

According to the article he is clearly guilty of multiple+++ counts of perjury!! :furious:

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A low-ranking public sector employee getting sacked? Come off it!


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"A full review of the training programme has taken place, as well as the supervision and processes involved in the work of the technicians.


At least that's a start --how long before they question a lot more of the findings -

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A low-ranking public sector employee getting sacked? Come off it!


He got caught . :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 14:43 
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They've already replaced the Project manager of The Road Safety Partnership and the CTO is now under management by a Police Inspector NOT A CIVILIAN! The summonsing officer has been replaced. The Police financial accounts are under investigation. Lancashire County Council speed awareness courses are also being looked at after excessive profits (£157,000 in 2005/6), and irregular payments to the police. The list just shows how the cash cow was being milked dry! The £10.00 charge for photographs was dropped when the accounts were questioned. Now we only need an explanation how 24,000 FPNs a year, worth over £1,800,000 "dissapeared" every year! Perhaps bank accounts should be looked at!


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 21:18 
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They've already replaced the Project manager of The Road Safety Partnership and the CTO is now under management by a Police Inspector NOT A CIVILIAN! The summonsing officer has been replaced. The Police financial accounts are under investigation. Lancashire County Council speed awareness courses are also being looked at after excessive profits (£157,000 in 2005/6), and irregular payments to the police. The list just shows how the cash cow was being milked dry! The £10.00 charge for photographs was dropped when the accounts were questioned. Now we only need an explanation how 24,000 FPNs a year, worth over £1,800,000 "dissapeared" every year! Perhaps bank accounts should be looked at!

A relative of mine was caught recently by a talivan in Blackpool doing 38 just after the limit had changed from 40 to 30. He was given the option of attending a speed awareness course (which he accepted). Presumably they charge more than £60 for a speed awareness course...

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Talk about a Pyrrhic victory!

Some man working to uphold the law of ‘dubious parentage’ gets caught and we rejoice because the norm these days is that he would have been promoted to get him out of the way and give him a pay rise!

Oh poor old didums was sacked was he. I can hardly see which keys to press through the blur of my tears.

They'll start to ignore speed the day they can tax us for having sex.

(At least I'd be up on the deal for once)

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They'll start to ignore speed the day they can tax us for having sex.

(At least I'd be up on the deal for once)

Is that with a woman, a man or by yourself? :roll:

I still feel the perjury aspect needs looking at - how many drivers have been jailed for trying to pass off their points... same difference in my book - this chap should be in court!! :x

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The same with the coppers in Hampshire. They admitted that they had never checked the side roads on the A27 eastern way, western way, southampton rd etc. One copper even reported the defective signs yet they continued to enforce and continued to issue statements to the court stating all the signing was correct.

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See the Chief Crown Prosecutor's letter for the "excuse" why the camera technician wasn't prosecuted!

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See the Chief Crown Prosecutor's letter for the "excuse" why the camera technician wasn't prosecuted!

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it was found that 41 tapes were found to have faults through his failure to calibrate the cameras correctly.


Is that one tape per "enforcement " (- going by the way the "hit squad " are described to sift through evidence -perhaps they should have had the job ).
Or perhaps it would not be in "THE PUBLIC INTEREST " to have their dirty washing (equipment )aired in public and this was the reason ,reasons were found to come up with "lack of evidence ".

What strikes me is the lack of managerial supervision to ensure that all the rules /checks are being complired with -perhaps this is the reason for some high up replacemants
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They've already replaced the Project manager of The Road Safety Partnership and the CTO is now under management by a Police Inspector NOT A CIVILIAN! The summonsing officer has been replaced. )

Sorry guys at SCP HQ- you need thicker wall paper to cover the cracks :bighand:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 21:03 
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Maybe it's not the operator.

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=31246


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blackdouglas wrote:

Not according to CSCP's top spinmeister!
ACPO expert witness, but no legal expert wrote:
For the Type Approved systems in use in the UK, not the same as the garbage you are using in your program, this has not been seen in any of the 4 systems we have, we have tried these methods with all of the kit, no such readings.
No speed errors have been detected when the system has been compared to time/distance measurements when target vehicles have been measured on a "range". We have ranges on the motorway where we can compare our laser readings to measured time/distance average speeds, NO ERRORS have been detected in speeds other than that calculated for the expected cosine error. Every test returning perfect results for speed when comparing laser to average.
Operator do not move the laser around from vehicle to vehicle or sweep it around when making measurements, they don't stand on their head, squint their eyes, wear funny hats (well some do) or generally take no notice of the Operating Instructions as you seem to be doing!

:hehe: Yeah... right!

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Funny that. The "Beam Spread" clips shown in the report were demonstrated with an actual UK Police Type Approved Lastec System with a trained Police Operator (PC Howard Fordham) using the device. Have a look at the clips for yourself!

Mind you, ACPO would say that wouldn't they:

Frank Garratt: Ex ACPO, now owner and director of company that ships the LTI 20.20 and Lastec Systems.
Trevor Hall: ACPO. Founder of RSS - who make money from defending these devices in the UK and paid for by the Police.
Meredydd Hughes: ACPO. Founder of RSS - who make money from defending these devices in the UK and paid for by the Police.

Incidentally, Trevor Hall, witnessed the errors shown in the clips.


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blackdouglas wrote:
Funny that. The "Beam Spread" clips shown in the report were demonstrated with an actual UK Police Type Approved Lastec System with a trained Police Operator (PC Howard Fordham) using the device. Have a look at the clips for yourself!

Mind you, ACPO would say that wouldn't they:

Frank Garratt: Ex ACPO, now owner and director of company that ships the LTI 20.20 and Lastec Systems.
Trevor Hall: ACPO. Founder of RSS - who make money from defending these devices in the UK and paid for by the Police.
Meredydd Hughes: ACPO. Founder of RSS - who make money from defending these devices in the UK and paid for by the Police.

Incidentally, Trevor Hall, witnessed the errors shown in the clips.

...and Steve Callaghan, "exspurt witness" for RSS and former boss of CSCP!

For some reason, it is now OK that people who lie to try and avoid a speeding ticket, are faced with a prosecution hit squad who are prepared to do the same to see that the guilty parties get penalised, and will take down any innocent motorists too if they get caught in the same net.

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blackdouglas wrote:
For some reason, it is now OK that people who lie to try and avoid a speeding ticket, are faced with a prosecution hit squad who are prepared to do the same to see that the guilty parties get penalised, and will take down any innocent motorists too if they get caught in the same net.


Funny -that -Ernest - said similar ,but different in an earlier post -
"(- going by the way the "hit squad " are described to sift through evidence -perhaps they should have had the job )." :lol: :lol:

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