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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:52 
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I have recently applied for a savings account which requires you to send a certifiied copy of your passport as evidence of identity. Among the people which they say are acceptable to certify this document are police officers. If I had just signed this off myself with a ficticious name, could the bank tell? Is there a way that they can look up the names of serving police officers?

I was amused by some of the other people the bank said were acceptable as honest certifiers:

MPs
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It always amuses me the lengths banks go to to ensure that their customers are inconvenienced as much as possible.
You have a passport.
Presumably you have a [photo] driving licence.
Does one look like the other.
Yes.
Problem solved.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 17:59 
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ok then why can teachers countersign passport applications?? I mean teachers!

I believe I can because I hold a professional qualification issued by an intistution granted a royal charter...but teachers!!!


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Perhaps the new "Accredited Persons" will be able to certify documents... :twisted: :roll:

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I have just signed a "certificate of existence" for an elderly friend to prove she is still alive and therefore entitled to continue receiving her pension. The only authorised certifiers listed were a JP, an accountant or a bank manager. Why they don't trust doctors to tell if someone is still breathing or not I don't know.

I had to supply a copy of photo ID to prove who I am. They accept passport, drivers licence or bus pass. They don't accept HMCS judicial ID card. :? I wasn't required to show myself to anybody so that I could be compared with the photo.

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It has narked me in the past that a holder of the Queen's Commission is not trusted enough to countersign passport applications.

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I am Swiss by birth. UK citizen by marriage

I can sign passports applications because of my profession :popcorn:

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ok then why can teachers countersign passport applications?? I mean teachers!

I believe I can because I hold a professional qualification issued by an intistution granted a royal charter...but teachers!!!


So you were born with the inherent ability to perform your profession, with no need for guidance, encouragement or channelling to qualification? How interesting! That narrows it down to a very few (very old) professions... :scratchchin:

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never mind getting a signature. i dont have a passport :lol:

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I believe this is not ot do with the banks so much as the government.

Traditionally banks haevnt given a $hit who you are as long as the acount is in credit and you pay your charges!

(Remember the brinks mat case!)

This is yet another pathetic attempt at "Adressing crime" (by suposeadly making money laundering more dificult) that actually does nothing of the sort and only serves to further inconveniance non-criminals (you know, like the number plate reg, limiting the amount of cash you can use to buy a car and so on)

For the more conspiritorially minded, it also allows the state to covertly build up even more data bases on ordinary people, Bank details and transaction histories are supposed to be confidetial however the state can effectivly have access to them at the drop of a hat.

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That narrows it down to a very few (very old) professions... :scratchchin:[/quote]


So that's where professional people go to get a signature ,from people they've known for a few years :o :o :twisted:

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RobinXe wrote:
It has narked me in the past that a holder of the Queen's Commission is not trusted enough to countersign passport applications.
I kicked up a big fuss about this some years ago and was assured that it is not a question of trust.

The explanation I was given - from the higher reaches of the passport office - was that its a matter of follow up. It seems that a percentage of signatures are checked by means of a telephone call to confirm the details given. In view of the fact that military personnel are rarely at one address for long and are liable to rapid deployment all over the place it was deemed not possible to guarantee the ability to contact enough signatories for enough of the time to warrant the inclusion of such people on the approved list.

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On the original point, does anyone know if there is a searchable register of sworn police officers in the UK?

Is it possible to check who is an officer? If I phone up and ask if Mr X is a policeman, will the police tell me?

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malcolmw wrote:
Is it possible to check who is an officer? If I phone up and ask if Mr X is a policeman, will the police tell me?

I can't imagine for one minute you would have your query either confirmed or denied, I reckon the standard response would be "The Data Protection Act blah, blah, blah"

A pity the same f**king act doesn't apply to us mere mortals any longer.

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RobinXe wrote:
It has narked me in the past that a holder of the Queen's Commission is not trusted enough to countersign passport applications.
I kicked up a big fuss about this some years ago and was assured that it is not a question of trust.

The explanation I was given - from the higher reaches of the passport office - was that its a matter of follow up. It seems that a percentage of signatures are checked by means of a telephone call to confirm the details given. In view of the fact that military personnel are rarely at one address for long and are liable to rapid deployment all over the place it was deemed not possible to guarantee the ability to contact enough signatories for enough of the time to warrant the inclusion of such people on the approved list.


A valid point, but we came to the conclusion that it was more due to the fact that if some work-experience pleb from the passport office called up the MoD and asked if "X" was a serving officer, they'd hopefully get told to f*ck off in short order!

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There is a story ( I suspect apocryphal ) in Naval folklore about a court order to a Port Admiral to give location of a particular sailor to enable service of divorce papers. The Admirals response was to give a lat/long position that was accurate at the time the court order was delivered. With the postscript that the necessary papers would need waterproof packaging as the vessel in question was in the habit of submerging.

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There is a story ( I suspect apocryphal ) in Naval folklore about a court order to a Port Admiral to give location of a particular sailor to enable service of divorce papers. The Admirals response was to give a lat/long position that was accurate at the time the court order was delivered. With the postscript that the necessary papers would need waterproof packaging as the vessel in question was in the habit of submerging.


PMSL! :rotfl:

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Saying that my mate who did a law degree was able to sign off my passport application and I wouldnt trust him as far as I could throw him!!!

It's an odd system, maybe thats why there are so many "issues" here :-)


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