jomukuk wrote:
Even if they catch them, they get minimal sentences.
The thing to ask is: Is it worth the risk of killing someone ?
At the end of the day the other driver was killed during high speed driving, to train someone to operate a device to obtain the speed of those driving fast...
It's all about getting it right and at minimal risk to others. In that case, they got it wrong.
Indeed. Seriously wrong.
We do not expect our teams to place themselves in danger. We have a duty of care to them as their employers as well as the public at large. In fact - we have a duty of care to the idiot we are trying to rein in. The reason why we are trying to do so is to try to prevent an incident.
So .. if the pursuit becomes dangerous to everyone - we abort it. We have the details we need and there are other methods open to us to nail the bugger in the car.
Do we train on rurals? Oh yes. We have to.
I note a report on the black box revealed speeds of 65 mph to 104 mph with the last recorded speed before impact being 90 mph.
On these roads - you feel the speed and the humps as you drive over them. I am sure all on this board identify with me that you not only feel via the car's suspension - but also through the steering wheel. These "feels" help you control the vehicle and modify the speeds accordingly.
Looking at the photo and watching the news - coupled with own exeprience of driving that particular road and similar - I would say that you can hold it safely enough at 80 mph, testing skills and train to use all the doo-dahs to standards required.
Now we also have a duty of care to the public. My first posts to this discussion forum was to reassure "willcove" that we do neither indulge in "reckless behaviour" nor seek to place the public in danger when we train.
I pointed out that we have to train on the roads alongside the public so that we can be equipped to deal appropriately alongside them and not "worry them too much" or "do our best to keep them safe" - but we all know that it only takes one slip in concentration for all of us and a panic on the part of another driver for it all to go badly wrong. (I am not at all suggesting that Mr Williams panicked. I am making a
generalised comment that folk do tend to panic and flap when they see a car on sirens and my advice is still the same:
what I said on a different thread ages ago wrote:
Keep calm. maintain steady normal driving, and simply assist the overtake
But all the same - we have a duty of care to others just as everyone else in other professions - and when we audit a road for training purposes - we have cleared it with tbe guvnors and with the other Force's' RPU if we are "training in their patch". We will also have an agreed speed which we would not exceed on such exercises.
If you recall - we lost a valued Inspector because he failed to clear a tasty straight on a motorway when planning an "unseen test route" for candidates to our RPU team. As I recall - when the story was debated on another well known motoring forum - plenty of folk were supporting his ban at the time. Just

because he decided to pick up another colleague to give a lift back to base camp in Durham whilst in the vicinity. He was on his way when he hit the motorway and thought it more suited stretch to test "ability in motorway emergency". It was a "spur of the moment decision" .. and incidentally - we did include the stretch in question on our RPU candidates' advanced tests
Oh sure when we train up - it will be above the lolly by a wider margin and would land the public in "ban before the beak bother" - but it would still be suited to the road in question. 90 mph?

Not on that humpy style road. We would set at 80 mph on that sort of road and even then - we'd need to be bloody careful.
jomukuk - We do try not to "do dangerous or careless". Nor would I claim that my police training/experience makes me or any other similarly trained officer immune from driver errors. No one person is a robot nor completely perfect when all is said and done.
I certainly would not expect a court to let us off the hook just because of that training if we get something seriously badly wrong.