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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 19:37 
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Police and mountain rescue services have accounted for all of the 2,500 marathon competitors who were stranded overnight by floods.

The majority of the entrants camped overnight in the Lake District when the Original Mountain Marathon two-day race was abandoned.

Earlier today, organisers of the race said all competitors were unaccounted for.

Last night police said more than 1,700 marathon competitors were unaccounted for after they were stranded by floods.

The vast majority were thought to have camped overnight in the Lake District when the Original Mountain Marathon was abandoned yesterday.

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The event was abandoned at midday for the first time in its 41-year history as heavy rains flooded the various routes the runners were taking from Seathwaite to Gatesgarth, near Borrowdale.

Nearly a month’s rain fell in one day in parts of Cumbria as torrential downpours blocked several roads in the area.

Around 2,500 people were believed to have started the two-day race and up to 750 stayed overnight in hastily arranged official shelters, police said.

Thirteen people were taken to Mary Hewetson Cottage Hospital in Keswick suffering from the effects of hypothermia and various minor injuries. They were later transferred to Cumberland Infirmary and West Cumberland Hospital.

Parts of Keswick near to the race venue received 65mm of rain in 24 hours up to 6am today, while the town of Shap near Penrith had 79mm of rainfall.

The average monthly rainfall for the North West of England in October is about 80mm.

The weather showed a marked improvement overnight with scattered showers predicted in Cumbria over the next 48 hours, according to Press Association forecasters MeteoGroup UK.

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Fell runner Neil Talbott, a trainee fighter pilot, said he was a “little surprised” the race went ahead, but added he was glad it did and would do the event again next year.

Mr Talbott, 27, based at RAF Valley on Anglesey, said: “I have never experienced conditions like that before.
“The rain was incessant but the wind proved just as difficult and I was on all fours at one point just to get through it.

“I think it was a 50-50 call whether to start the race given the forecast. I believe the organisers made the right decision, although I was a little surprised when I heard.

“The event is billed as a tough event and competitors know what they are letting themselves in for. It’s held at this time of year annually for a reason because the weather is part of the test.

“There are various categories and you are not allowed to take part in the harder courses unless you have previously competed in the marathon.

“I did the race last year in Scotland and was very impressed with the professionalism of the organisers. They do a great job.
“I do not regret competing in the event because it is what I have trained hard for."

He spent the night with around 80 people at Glaramara Outdoor Activity Centre.

Most left early today in a bid to retrieve their vehicles and leave the area, he said.



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It was awful though. I spent most of last night clearing up from a small flash flood And most of today too.


How's things with rest of the Cumbrian gang on here?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 01:53 
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Some of you might have seen the TV news about the missing mountain marathon runners and wondered if the version the organisers were giving was correct, and the authorities had over reacted?
Idiots!! Last night they were appealing on local radio for volunteers to take minibuses and coaches to a remote valley to evacuate entrants, then on TV today saying nothing was wrong and it was all a storm in a teacup!

They were warned on Thursday after a bus load of school kids on a geography trip had to be rescued from the same spot by a JCB, when their coach got stuck in a flood - and they ignored advice!
I wish the RAF would send them a bill for the rescue helicopter which was out for half the day!! :x

I went south today (Sunday) to visit relatives in Lancashire.
It took us some time to get out of Cumbria - the Kendal bypass was shut - no warning signs! Kendal was blocked by the additional traffic... luckily I kew a back route around the police station which saved about 15 minutes of queuing!

South of Kendal the A591 was flooded at Prizet but JUST passable southbound, but the northbound carriageway was impassable, so they were diverting via Sedgewick and Levens from Brettargh Holt... which must have been hectic, because they are only narrow lanes!

Last night going home from work I had to take to the side lanes, to avoid a massive queue from Bannerigg to Staveley, then got baulked by a car stuck in a (shallow) puddle, so had to reverse 1/4 mile back up a narrow lane!
I did well - the car in front could not keep up with me in reverse. I diverted to another lane.... The Common Farm road from Bannerigg which was a RIVER, several inches deep, and there was loads of shingle deposited on some bends by the water!
You can see some of my Friday morning pictures on the Westmorland Gazette site - http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/photos/public/3788225.Flooding___Troutbeck_School_reflects/ and click the forward arrow links.

It got worse, because we had over 12 hours of continuous heavy rain on top of that on Saturday afternoon/night.

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ah i was wondering when this would hit here :D

tbh i was surprised the organisers went ahead as even on friday advice was being given to stay off the tops.

reporting is still pretty sensationalist though.

the competitors were meant to be camping out overnight, hence they were all equipped to do so.

the main problem as far as ive gathered from a few of the runners was the HQ & parking being flooded out / cut off and the overnight camp being flooded out.... not so much their safety on the hills.


and as for the guy at the slate mine... well he has a bit of a reputation already doesnt he ?


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I should have made myself clear. I dont criticise the runners for taking part, as they would have been reassured by the fact the organisers allowed the event to continue, ands probably felt confident in their abilities.
However the behaviour of the organisers was extraordinary.

On the Thursday a coach load of school kids had to be rescued from a flooded road by JCB as the water was too deep for even Landrovers. The stretch of road was the same one which would have to be used in the event of any incident during the race. Further heavy rain and high winds were forecast, and it was thought that roads would inevitably become impassable.

Competitors reported that some check points were abandoned when the race was canceled, thus removing a layer of safety cover in the event of anyone becoming unable to get themselves off the fells. If it was unsuitable for people to man a check point, how did they expect the competitors to find the best route down, or communicate with those that could supply assistance?
It seems that their attitude was one of "everyman for himself" once they realised that the conditions were too bad.

On Saturday night, the organisers were appealing on local radio for people to provide mini buses and coaches to evacuate competitors in large numbers who had come down off the fells, but had no means of getting back to their own transport, and had no where to stay. The Lakeland Sheep and Wool Centre at Cockermouth was opened up to provide shelter - but Cockermouth itself was already having problems caused by widespread flooding, which at times had closed the A66 such was the volumes of water coming down.

I was unable to make my normal way home from work on Thursday night, AND Saturday night due to the A591 being blocked for a while at Bannerigg - so expecting others to respond to a crisis of their making, with no planning for such an emergency which was clearly forecast was the height of incompetence IMHO.
I was able to wait it out, then use local knowledge to find an alternative route. The competitors had no such margin.

As I view it, the reckless reporting by the press has largely been a response to the "you cant blame us" attitude of the organisers - They simply had no contingency plan to safely transport such a large number of people away from the area once the race was canceled, with competitors no where near their planned finish point.
This was the A591 at Prizet just south of Kendal on Sunday morning,
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which was simply overwhelmed by the volumes of water. This was one of the possible routes home for competitors had they finished the race normally - and it caused a major tailback. The conditions around the Borrowdale and Honister Pass areas were worse!

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Ernest Marsh wrote:
and had no where to stay.


they all had tents, and a large number used them !


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they all had tents, and a large number used them !

Hmm. Not sure how many though once they got off the fell.
Mind you there were over two thousand of them, and these pictures from Cockermouth school only show a few - and there were more at the Sheep and Wool Centre (there is a joke in there somewhere!)
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All of this was organised AFTER they called off the event.

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1.260826
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THERE was a scene of utter chaos at normally sleepy Seathwaite yesterday when the runners’ cars got stuck in waterlogged fields.

Hundreds of fell runners were ferried back to the tiny village at the head of the Borrowdale valley as soon as the road alongside Derwentwater was passable.

But many of the men and women who had to bunk down in a reception centre overnight found a quick getaway was out of the question.

Many found their vehicles had to be removed from waterlogged fields by friendly farmers - others were not even that lucky.

During the afternoon, as rain again started hammering down on the wettest spot in England, a string of cars were heading back towards Keswick on the back of recovery vehicles.

A weekend that was designed to be a challenging turned out to be just that.

What was astonishing was that some members of Cockermouth Mountain Rescue team were IN the race, and when asked by Radio Cumbria, said that they were perfectly safe and OK while on the fell - but then said that "with his mountain rescue hat on, the race should never have gone ahead" :shock: :shock: :shock:

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and had no where to stay.


they all had tents, and a large number used them !



Yes ,, some in our field.


Ed.. I was called out yesterday


I am ex "police medic" .. but I was nearest. I had to help. Those folk .. despite "expertise in survival techniques" were seriously out of their depth and I base that on emergency treatment in situ for hypothermia.


Ern./.. I note you pre-empt me! :lol: :clap:

A tent does not have central heating. nor the means to keep heat in a human body. You migh manage if you huddle for warmth in the one sleeping bag.

Get real. I live here. I had to mop up a flood in our own home this weekend. Most roads were "flooded or impassable". If you like .. we were marOONED! MAROONED! MAN! :yikes:


It was as stated high wind .. horizontal rain. All roads flooded. Akin to the mini-hurricane of 2004. :yikes:

Not pleasant. Locals stayed indoors. We are not stupid county yokels after all :wink: Not being rude to you ed.. but this was extraordinary weather. Believe me. I live here. Saw it at first hand. Mopped up a flood into small hours of Saturday. I could not ask my wife to help. She's more than a bit "delicate in condition" at present. :wink:

I was then asked to help with the emergency as it developped. I did so. YOU have no idea as to what this weather was like in reality. I DO. I LIVE here. I saw at first hand the etched misery... the etched fear.. the cold .. severely cold misery on human faces .. at eye contact level here.

You did not. I am not going to argue with you on this one. Just accept what I am saying here .. eh?

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Yes, Saturday was extrordinarily wet! Don't know about fell running - we had to think twice about whether or not to go to the supermarket in Workington! There were also several patches between us and Whitehaven that were sill-deep in the car. We had it nothing like as bad as Borrowdale though. I spent over an hour on Sunday morning emptying rain water out of the boat in our garden which normally collects a gallon or so every few weeks. There must have been over 100 gallons in it!

All things considered, I think it was a bit irresponsible of the race organisers to have gone ahead, but perhaps also a bit over-reported.


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http://www.theomm.com/forum/index.php?topic=731.15

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Just to confirm - 11 rescued on the Keswick/ Cockermouth side and 6 on the Wasdale side

Wasdale had a further two rescues on the Sunday but unrelated to the OMM

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ps - as incorrectly reported in the press Lakes MRT did not advise the organisers to cancel the event. Today we have had to go on Radio and TV to ensure that the public are not misled - it is the reponsibility of the organisers to make the decision based on their best information. MRT has a responsibility to rescue those who are in need of emergency help on the mountains. MR will be happy to contribute to any post event 'leassons learned' debrief



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Just to let you know that I have spoken to Cumbria Police in my MR regional capacity and as far as I am concerned the Police did not advise that the event should be cancelled - they did advise of the incoming adverse weather. They do not have the powers to cancel events such as the OMM and therefore can only respond to the emergency '999' calls as they come in - this they do pretty effectively and MRT are brought in very quickly - we work very closely with the Police and they are happy to task MRT when our skills a re required (particularly flood and swift water rescue).

I hope that this clears it up - MR stance on the topic remains the same - MR do not advise event organisers to cancel such events. That is their call based on the information they have.


http://www.sleepmonsters.co.uk/racerepo ... action=rep

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Whilst the media were hyping up the search for missing people that never was in the Borrowdale/Honister/Gatesgarth area, across the way in Langdale the real search was on for three genuine missing, under equipped walkers in upper Oxendale/Red Tarn area.

Both Langdale, Ambleside & Kendal MRT's were involved all night. The walkers were found by a search dog at about 3am cut off by a raging torrent in Crinkle Ghyll, tired, cold, wet and frightened. It took Kendal MRT's full swift water rescue squad to get to them and bring them to safety in the dark. When we got home and reported it to the media they were not interested! Your "missing" 1700 was a much better story than one of Kendal MRT's most technical rescues for a long time. Long Live The OMM!

P.S. The Police had asked us to bring our Land Rovers to Honister to help with the evacuation to the Sheep and Wool centre but after talking with Keswick MRT we decided to stay at home where we were really needed!


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