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Do we really need ambulances?

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Very funny!

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Malcolm W.
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Is that clown for real? It seems to me he’s got some notoriety and, in an effort to keep on making a living by writing, is now scraping the barrel. I think he’s worn through the barrel in fact.

I wish I could make a living from writing crap. (Please don’t say it )

I like the avatar BTY Peter

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

I'm fed up with coppers and ambulances closing the roads every time someone falls off their motorbike or hits a tree or whatever. They should have targets for reducing lane closures and keeping the traffic flowing. Open the road and ask questions later. I'm fed up getting home late for my tea. Crashes are inevitable, but traffic jams don't have to result after each one.

As most motorcyclists are severely injured when they are knocked off, which is the more common occurrence, and may die the police have no choice but to perform a thorough investigation to determine the cause.

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So,, my work is "peer reviewed". Does not mean all my "peers" agree with my findings.. and any peer reviewed works are subject to new and revised data which never means "peer reviewed" is always right.


I suppose if a peer reviewed work suggested greeniest way of life was to chuck oneself over a cliff.. Mongiblets would condone such on the basis that it was "peeer reviewed by the non-university of second rate peers"


Sorry , but his nonsense on "peer review" has to be seen for what it is.. "nonsense" as all research moves on. gets superseded and revised. Much of this "peer reviewed research" is contradicted by other equally objectively researched and equally peer reviewed as to its discrete and objectively impassionated criteria and workings.


So .. I will take his "peer reviewed" research into ambulance/emergency to be the stuff as researched by bog standard "institutions" as conducted by nerdy blokes who wear beige cardigans and who find mushy peas and lentils to be "creative cooking" who think they are "green minded",.. but waste more resources and farts on nonsense which fail our health and fair minded and responsibly minded society.

Mongiblets needs to get a grip on real life values. He does not know what lies ahead. None of us do. But he needs to be careful as what goes around comes around. Pray to God he never needs a paramedic based on this mind-blowingly arrogant and stupid article as penned by this affront to intellectual "custodians of our planet"

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Surely the "Mash" is a spoof, and Moonbat didn't really write that article??

Please? Surely??

mb

It makes no sense to close the road when the cause is almost always the same thing ... a stupid, avoidable accident. Closing a lane of the the A41 (for example) for 2 hours causes thousands of cars to be delayed by an hour. The economic cost must run to £100Ks. You could hire coppers with that money, and _save_ lives, instead of having them file futile reports.

The brits have forgotten the 80/20 rule; that's the basic problem, I think.

Yes, it's a load of rubbish penned by a clown, but it's not by Monbiot! This is a fake article.

Here's some more rubbish from the same bin:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/opinion/c ... 810151327/

In that case you can see why people might be taken in...

In my view, whatever the rights and wrongs, how many more people are killed or seriously injured, like the family of 6 just the other week, because of queues caused by the police closing roads/lanes due to an earlier accident?

Do these further accidents warrant the closures? I don't think so.

If they were closing the road to work out how to stop the same type of accident happening again, I would be more agreeable, but I think it's all about apportioning blame.

My personal experience of peer review is that of highly qualified, oft over-paid, professionals making the wrong decision. It’s amazing how ‘intelligent’ people can get it wrong and how very difficult it is to get things right in the face of a higher authority.


As JTB said, it’s likely to be more about culpability or the modern culture of ‘where there’s blame there’s a claim’. As R1Nut points out, it’s us bikers who are going to come off worse in a collision and if it ever happens to me, again, I’m sure I’d want as much time as it takes to do a thorough investigation.

I think in any accident I have seen it’s not the police dragging their heels so much as the public rubber-necking and dithering around the black spot which bogs everyone down. It's not the police causing a ten mile tailback when two out of three lanes are still open.

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Exactly, lynladd. I get the distinct impression that coppers are closing lanes willy nilly nowadays. It should be done as a last resort.

Hypothetically, if you were involved in an accident where a biker ended up under your wheels: would you prefer the police investigated the incident to ascertain whether you killed the biker or just assumed that you had because your car was on top to them?

I was on the M4 last night and just at the point they have a contraflow a van had shunted a car, which had shunted a car, which had shunted ... in total 5 vehicles. Whilst approaching this incident at approximately 20mph I had a car follow about 2 feet from my rear bumper and whilst we were crawling at up to 10mph it got closer. So close in fact that as I looked in my rear view after stopping, I had an unnerving image of seeing the whites, although they looked red due to my brake lights, of the driver's eyes as they popped out on stalks as they hadn't seen me stop and due to the fact they were less than a foot off my rear.

The fact that if it had hit me, there was at least a car's length of free space in front and I had applied the handbrake, I would not hit anything else and therefore we could manoeuvre off the motorway would have made no difference. We more than likely would have had to cross two lanes to the hard shoulder and I doubt that could be possible without the police to close the lanes to let us off because everyone is too impatient to wait long enough to let anyone have the slightest of space or they're too busy on their mobiles.

I must also congratulate the people carrier that pulled so far over on the hard shoulder that they grounded the vehicle the whole length so that the two wheels on the road side weren't touching the hard shoulder.

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Yup. Can we blame the police for tailbacks on the opposing carriageway as everyone slows that little bit more than the car in front to rubberneck at the mangled remains of what used to be vehicles and people?

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Police activities (flashing lights, lane closures etc.) are one cause of rubbernecking. Some other causes, e.g. morbid curiosity etc., are hard to control as they relate to the immutable human condition. Would rubbernecking be reduced if coppers could clear up and get out the way more quickly and with less fuss?

What if it took (say) 3 hours to do a thorough investigation? Should we delay
many 1000's of people coming back from the city after a hard day's work?
And what if that happens day after day after day, and the cause is almost
always plain stupidity? That seems to be about where we are now.

You can't please all of the people all of the time, so the answer is to take the route which results in the greatest good, enabling the understanding and prevention of future accidents, rather than pandering to self-centred egoists who are utterly incapable of empathy, or even understanding of the world beyond their own sphere of selfishness.

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