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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20081223/tuk ... a1618.html

No doubt, on release, he will be entitled to benefits and a council house (On the grounds that, being banned, he cannot work!) and, (of course) we wont be able to deport him since this would undoubtdly contravine his "Euman Wights"

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Andrew.

PS I always thought "Dual" was as pretty damn good movie!

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

Not condoning ramming people out of the way but.

If you are driving a car on what appears to be a fairly clear and free flowing road, and a speed limited LGV rams you up the backside, then I might suggest you weren't paying attention.

I think the road was under a 50 limit.

That bit of the M1 is all roadworks at the moment and covered by specs scameras 50mph limit

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He was also in Lane 3, which is also 7.5ton limited.
As a truck driver myself, I totally agree with the sentence, but there should have been a deportation notice on the end of it, with an order to never darken our country with his presence ever again.
We drivers, of all vehicle should deplore this sort of driving from all drivers and report them immediately.

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Of course if the speed restriction and zombie cameras hadn't been there this probably wouldn't have happened. I assume SPECS can't read non-UK numberplates or if they can there's little chance of prosecution?

Of course ramming someone is usually a bad thing to do, but it seems there was some incitement which could easily have not been there.

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Andrew.

And?

Are you telling me that you would choose to be rammed rather than (probably briefly) break the speed limit?

I would not CHOOSE to be rammed but would any driver reasonably expect to be rammed?

The gentleman in question has apparently offered no explanation for his actions - there is a temptation in cases like this to leave him where he is till he does explain.

As he is Czech isn't he free to come and go as he pleases, EU and all that. Problem is even if we can ban him as we don't check everyone in and out, so as long has he has a valid passport won't he be able to come and go? It is great that travelling across Europe has got easier but it has thrown up a number of real problems with regard to the movement of criminals and their ill-gotten gains, banned drivers etc. We are lucky in that we have the Channel but we don't use it to our advantage as we could, either because the EU don't want us to or because our government prefers not to spend the money on a proper customs system. Which I don't know.

As for getting out of this nuts way. Well given his actions were so beyond the norm I'd image most of us would have had any rational thought roll under the seat where we couldn't get at them ie we'd have panicked.

Barkstar

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The thought has occurred to me at times that, on 70-limit motorways, truck drivers should be allowed to barge Micras out of the way doing less than 56 mph in Lane 1

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Is it really such a crime to do only 80% of the absolute top speed allowed by any vehicle?

Obviously such a comment was only made in jest, but if you're on a motorway used by speed-limited vehicles only capable of 56 mph and barred from Lane 3, if you hold them up in Lane 1 you are in my view driving in an obstructive manner and should be prosecuted.

If you can't, or won't, cruise at 56 mph or above on the motorway, you shouldn't be on it.

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I thought "inconsiderate driving" was already illegal? However that would really be driving slowly and getting in the way.
Of course if the micra was full of the people who decided that lorry speed limiters were "a good idea" then go for it.

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Andrew.

Most EU passports issued in past 2-3 years or so do have a chip inside them. If you note - we now have to hand over the passports to controls at ferry - check ins prior to boarding. This does at least flag up movements in and out of the country - and it can help us keep track of such rogues if they should "flag up"

At present this system does NOT AT ALL equate to a tracking device - but just provides some intelligence as to movements in and out of Europe at Dover/Calais/Portsmouth etc It is not foolprooof either as some of these new passports have been cloned already


But the other thing they could do is remove his passport at the Czech end and thus prevent his travel here and one would also hope that this criminal record prevents his getting another "driving" job


As for the driver. A life time ban and instant deportation to serve his sentence in a jail in his own country would seem more appropriate as we are still funding his stay at HM's pleasure and providing him with telly and sundry modern comforts which he may not get back in a Czech prison.

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We do indeed pull those who drive too slowly for the traffic situation. For all we know the car may have a problem and if so - we can escort them to next exit to ensure safety.

If the person is deliberately driving too slowly for the actual condition of the faster road - then this could well be inconsiderate to dangerous driving in the case of the 10 mph old biddy that time .. We would thus be as tough as we are on the OTT blatters and those who bully and intimidate other road users via tailgating and shunting as in this case

(We have never had such a case around here .. and I think we did have a "copy cat" from the film "Duel" when it was shown on the telly once .. but that was when I was with the Met and I can honestly say from transfer to Manchester and then up here .. that "the London area seems to have more than its fair share of complete nutters!" It was basically a tap on the bumper bar .. but he was stupid enough to pick on an unmarked car at the time Not mine.. but pals and colleagues of mine at the time. It was on the M1 late at night heading up North, as I recall from memory)

(I've seen some odd things on the motorway in my more "young dark rat past in the Met"inccluding the bloke who asked me for directions as I was "'avin' an acid word" with someone on the South bound section : he stopped in L3 to the little picnic on the hard shoulder to the couple who broke down in L3 and sat in=between the cnetral reserve with their picnic hamper open whilst they"waited for help"
Actually I had to admit they were quite a cool pair - it was surreal )

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

PS Peter - I know you were being tongue in cheek there and merely observing that there are plenty of morons out there who will not move in the safety of the flow.


Part of good driving practice and consideration for other road users - including our cycling pals, four legged and even two legged friends - does require COAST maintenance by us all and means that we not only negotiate with our fellow traveller - but that we also move within the flow.


I am sure some of us who did rush out to grab a bargain - found that they had to negotiate on foot and walk along the crowded shopping centres/streets at the same pace of flow - watching out for the sudden skid to a halt as our wives spot the handbag to go with the shoes to match the coat and for which they need a new hairdo and matching make-up; WIMMIN!

But when you are walking along in such a crowd .. you are still having to walk within the same pace of flow .. and driving/riding on busy but free flowing roads is not exception. Our experienced cyclists will also be within that same flow .. mixing primary and secondary positions accordingly within that flow... negotiating with all others .. all the time.

This lorry driver though - really did break an expected code of conduct. Thankfully - he is a one off. Because I would admit that most HGV drivers I have come across are decent and careful out there. Sure .. we get the odd frozen hydaraulic or overheated braking system.. and the odd jackknife.. shed loads for various reasons... but generally these days?


Let's give UK big truck drivers in particular - a big

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.