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As already posted in Anonymous submissions, can Talivans be deploye on Central Reservations? According to ACPO guidelines they should never be deployed on any Central Reservation!
Anybody ogt naything more definitve or helpful?

only if i can park on one too

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An answer from another website is given here, from a senior Traffic Police Officer:

There is no LAW saying that they cannot park on the central reserve as long as they are not causing danger in doing so. I know in my area they sit on those sort of areas and I haven't read anything that they are having problems with doing so. Hope this helps. Be Safe.

I hope this answers your question.

This also explains to me why there was a ANPR van parked in between the carriageways on the M62 just over the brow of the big hill near the little house on the prairie.
As four closely following cars came over the brow, not realising it was not a speed camera, the first one slammed his anchors on before looking at his speedo, and the other three piled into the back of him.
Accident cause, the ANPR van

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So, the talivans who park on the pavement and cone off one side of a single carriageway on motorway flyovers (thus obliging pedestrians to walk on the road and traffic to drive on the wrong side of the road and thus causing danger) are not operating legally?


As an aside, why are ANPR vans still operating? Since January, the new rules mean the DVLA can issue automatic penalties without even seeing the vehicle on the road -- surely ANPR VED enforcement is now redundant?!

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As an aside, why are ANPR vans still operating? Since January, the new rules mean the DVLA can issue automatic penalties without even seeing the vehicle on the road -- surely ANPR VED enforcement is now redundant?![/quote]

Thats a damn good point.
I think the answer may be that not all untaxed vehicle owners bother to pay up or even acknowledge the DVLA letter and fine, so they will still use the ANPR vans to catch live ones on the road.

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As an aside, why are ANPR vans still operating? Since January, the new rules mean the DVLA can issue automatic penalties without even seeing the vehicle on the road -- surely ANPR VED enforcement is now redundant?![/quote]

Thats a damn good point.
I think the answer may be that not all untaxed vehicle owners bother to pay up or even acknowledge the DVLA letter and fine, so they will still use the ANPR vans to catch live ones on the road.

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Why don't they just send a local plod round to knock on their door?

It's a lot easier to spot them when being used on the road rather than trawling round local streets and trying to identify the owner/keeper. If you're driving a car you must know something about it, and are immediately committing an offence if you can't show it's insured for you.

Personally I have no problem with using this technology for tracking down untaxed, uninsured and unlicensed drivers, who are responsible for a disproportionate number of accidents on the road.

Regards,

Peter

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Maybe I've misunderstood, but I thought the new system that willcove mentioned was entirely computer based. If the DVLA computer says that a car's tax disc has expired and the owner hasn't declared SORN then they just issue the fine. If so, then there's no need for the police to spot a car being used, as it no longer matters if it's being used or not. No plod will come knocking on the door, just a postman delivering a brown envelope from Swansea. I imagine that the actual tax disc could theoretically be done away with, but it's fairly easy for the police to spot missing/expired discs and then tug the driver to see if the car is unroadworthy as well.

As for ANPR vans, they might be used for other purposes than catching untaxed vehicles. The only time I've seen any was part of anti-terrorist precautions around Bagshot when some euro-VIPs were coming over for tea and buns with Tony (or someone in the government - don't remember the details). I thought they were Talivans at the time, it was only later that I was told what was actually going on. Don't ask me what they expected to achieve with ANPR, but I was told that that was what it was.

But in the world of inner-city estates where cars change hands in the pub for £50 and official demands are binned, you need some form of physical enforcement.

I thought ANPR cameras were often used to check cars, with suspect ones being "pulled" further down the road. The only way to deal with untaxed drivers effectively is to catch them actually doing it.

Regards,

Peter

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Well, I did say that in practice missing and expired tax discs are easy for the police to spot, so they wouldn't be done away with for exactly that sort of reason. However, if you or I were to neglect to buy a new disc I doubt the police will get involved. We're too easy for the DVLA to track down. I'm not sure about how effective binning official demands would be. When they get fed up chasing you, don't they send the boys round to take the car to the crusher these days? I think for that to work the you'd have to give false registration details so no fines, demands etc actually find their way to you.
Now that you've got me thinking about it, that probably is the best way of catching cars that are untaxed and unregistered/falsely registered. As I said before, if the DVLA can track the owner there's probably no need. But if it's improperly registered, and therefore almost certainly untaxed and very probably un-roadworthy, then it's very hard to trace. ANPR vans seem like a good way to deal with these.
In one way it's a pity though. We seem to have turned into the most closely monitored society in the industrialised world, and every other solution to a problem, real or imagined, usually involves another bloody camera. Never mind compulsory ID, with the amount of times we're filmed every day we should all be given equity cards.

Accident cause the goon in the lead vehicle slamming on the brakes!

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Surely accident cause was vehicles 2/3/4 tailgating? ANPR van could have been any sort of unexpected hazard causing the lead vehicle to stop.