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Does not the absolution from sin require acceptance that it was a sin and some form of penitence or at least remorse?

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
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is there not a system of points & fines ?

and maybe the option of a sin awareness course.

You are quite right. "Manoeuvring with difficulty" usually refers to a vessel which is damage but still under command and whose movements might thus be unpredictable. Rather like a cyclist with a puncture

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Course to be held here perhaps?



This is referring to food of course, however the "Hog" reference and "freezing rain, black snow, and hail" above does seem appropriate for someone that drives as if they are the prevailing conditions even when fine.



I do not have a problem with wanting to admire the scenery on a run. Pull over out of the way, get out of the car and go for a walk in it. Driving through it slowly holding everyone else up is not only Sunday driving but missing out on a big part of enjoying the outdoors.

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

Abercrombie,

I've always wanted to enquire as to the reason for why certain peeople drive at the speed that they do. Do you have a set maximum speed for a NSL road or does it vary daily?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

It varies according to my mood. If I'm in a rush, I go about like all the others. Else, I chill out and enjoy the birdsong. My main rule is this. I try drive in a way that a blindfolded passenger should not know if I turn.

PS, graball. Thanks for your question. I'm not a pain in the arse. Maybe 25 in the 40 is a bit on the slow side, even for me. Maybe I'd chance 35 or so, who knows.
But that's my choice.

Well, if you want a precise answer, you'll have to ask Mole. But my advice is this. You have to treat slow drivers with at least as much respect as you give speedy nincompoops. You can't go far wrong if you use that rule.

Well, there's a lot of shows out there with macho names like "top gear", and "fifth gear", and "flat out" (OK, I made the last one up). But there's no emphasis at all on "first gear", "bottom gear" or "pootling along" etc. So, if we want balanced lives, we need to address that shortfall.

I had 10 years of those - they don't work!

I respect your opinion, toltec, but it doesn't work for me. I need plenty of time to enjoy my motoring. I'm not a "slam, bam, thank you mam" type of feller!

That's the most ridiculous driving guide I have ever read. Is this for real? On the opposing end of the spectrum, that's the equivalent of a nutcase alpha-male, boyracer who insists on everyone knowing their presence. So much for getting a good balance!


How on earth did that answer my question? Are you one of those spam bots that uses random chunks of text to evade spam filters?
To confirm: you, on here, want us to slow down by means of someone completely unrelated to us using a different name for a show?


More misquoting aside: why should I ask others for something which you claimed and supported, especially when it turns out those others seem to be distancing themselves from your interpretation of their statements?

You can't bring yourself to answer that simple question can you. It's OK, it's pretty obvious you can't answer it without contradicting yourself, I was seeing how far you would go to protect your vanity; you went so far it's fetched!



I actually said: So, do the ‘speed merchants’ – who you partly defined as those who "exceed limits on the sly" and the ‘slowpokes’ have some right to act as they do, or not? This requires a simple yes or no answer.

Don't misquote me in a way that makes the question unfairly easy to answer.

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I've never heard anything so preposterous in my life. My other rule is even stricter. I drive as if I have a stack of eggs in trays on the back seat, and I imagine how much mess it would make if one toppled. That really keeps you on the straight and narrow, I can tell you!



If you have any better names, let me know. How about some songs like "life in the slow lane", or "baby you can drive my vespa" etc.? How can we get the message across that slow is cool?



Well, my own view is that Mole's idea is too simplistic to capture the whole idea, but it's a good starting point. I actually think
slowpokes and speedy cats have equal but different rights, rather like men and women, if you get the idea. One the other hand,
thanks to 4by4 and his remarks on the 85th percentile, we know that it's far safer to err on the side of caution. So we should
give more respect to the slowpokes (within reason) - they've got the right idea.

Without wondering if the line of motorists behind you are in a rush, like you are occasionally? But hey, selfishness is good. Never had you down for a Thatcherite!

Thank goodness I own a car that can overtake in places most can't, otherwise I'd find drivers like you really annoying.

And I'm hung like a horse! Don't make me laugh, JB!!! Fast cars are ten a penny.

PS: I'm interested in what you say though. You seem to say that I have some kind of
moral imperative to "help" those behind me, as if drivers were a group that I should sympathise with,
and be a part of.

Yet they don't respect my wish to drive slow. Why should I give a hoot about them?

I really don't want to know that. Though I've no reason to call you a liar!


But joking apart, I do find it very frustrating being stuck behind SlowAPs when I'm in a work van, and often find myself thinking "If only I was in my car..."

Great joy is to be had at the weekend getting past someone - probably rather like abercrombie in outlook - who gives the impression of taking great satisfaction in holding other traffic up. It's *almost* worth being momentarily held up.

I'm sure I'm ascribing emotions to abercrombie that he doesn't possess: you don't actually enjoy impeding other drivers now do you, A?

PS: Where did I "seem to say that I have some kind of
moral imperative to "help" those behind me". I'm afraid you lost me!

Sheesh, you're as bad as basingwerk at misquoting people!



How does this disrespect manifest itself?

There is no way anyone can take you seriously. Just to make sure of that.....


It's funny how you didn't quote the actual question, choosing instead to quote only an ancillary statement.
Remember, the question which you've not quoted yet evaded is:
To confirm: you, on here, want us to slow down by means of someone completely unrelated to us using a different name for a show?


It's funny how you didn't quote the actual question, choosing instead to quote only an ancillary statement.
Remember, the question which you've not quoted yet evaded - again - is:
Given the fact you (not Mole or anyone else) have stated, in your own words: "Slowpokes have equal justification to speed merchants", do both the ‘speed merchants’ (who you partly defined as those who "exceed limits on the sly") and the ‘slowpokes’ have some right to act as they do, or not? This requires a simple yes or no answer.

I can see why you've already been banned. It doesn't matter, now everyone can see you for the inconsiderate, selfish, impatient driver, or troll, you really are.

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Do you suppose that they don't respect your wish to drive slow merely because they don't wish to drive as slow as you? You don't give a hoot about them because you perceive that they don't give a hoot about you? Nice anti-social vicious circle you have there. I really despair that you lack the intellect to grasp this.

I don't suppose you'll ever change your driving style, you're clearly devoid of any sense of social conscience, and even if you do you'd be far too arrogant to ever admit you're wrong. I can only hope that it doesn't have any negative ramifications for the safety of you or those around you, and that nobody suffers any ill-consequences as a result of being impeded by you, or selfish, bloody-minded egoists like you.

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I think you've hit on a very important point. It is that momentary feeling of release that
the car companies endlessly exploit to get guys to buy cars. It's shameful to exploit
latent, competitive urges - simple minded people (not you , obviously) are actually
conned - they think the feeling is real!!! It's amazing anyone could be so simple,
but they really are. They were queuing up for it, before the crunch. Sad thing is,
they get caught in another queue after 2 minutes!!! It's madness.



Name calling, tailgating and ultimately road rage etc. The whole gamut, I reckon.

Why should I care about their motivation - they're a pain in the arse.



Have you tried Prozac?



It's very kind of you to say so, you big softie! And I hope that your ill-informed, simple-minded opinions never back fire on you and get you into trouble.

You really are too kind. I can honestly say that I am deeply touched to know that you
hold me in such high esteem. You may rest assured that I fully reciprocate your sentiments!

PS: I'd be careful if I were you. It's one thing to be anti-camera, but quite another to
be pro-speed. Some of us don't want more zooming around. I fact, we'd like
drivers to cease competing with one another, and just chill out. You must
know it makes sense, so I can only assume you're an awkward individual
who is just out to make trouble. More speed means more cameras - anybody
knows that.

So get with the programme - if we want less cameras, we have to learn to
abide by the limits without them.