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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 15:13 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 00:32 
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You probably won’t like me for saying this but, what’s the point in trying to save a Vulcan bomber when you probably won’t have a Britain to fly it in. Let’s get our priorities right! we need to save the UK if we’re going to save the Vulcan. Don’t people get it! The money will be better used towards fighting our Governments’

While we’re on the subject, people need to learn that the world cannot carry on along its present course. If we all ever come out of this people need to realise that population growth is the biggest killer in our world today if they can’t get that through their heads then there is no hope for humanity. I admire the likes of the American Indians who knew how to live in harmony with the world only for it to be ruined by us so called capitalists whose only agenda is to take over and pillage the world for everything it’s got. Think about living on a barren earth because, if we carry on at our present rate, that’s how it will end up. We only have one earth it’s about time people fought for what’s left and, at the same think about how to look after what’s left.

People have been made to lose what it takes to live in a community and live to their means. Most people today expect others to look after them when they can't even look after themselves. (and I’m not talking about the genuine sick or elderly).

Our Governments’ feed of peoples greed and they all play into their hands. It’s time for people take stock of what’s going on and face reality, until you can do this then there is no hope of the human race surviving.

I am prepared to do anything I can and help but, it’s no good unless everyone does the same, you can only survive if you all do it as a mass effort.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 00:51 
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I think it is a great part of our heritage, and it would be a shame, after all that work, if it was consigned to the scrapheap, but I honestly don't think it is that important. I could not, in good conscience, ask people to give anything to a cause like this when money is so short for so many.

If people find themselves with a few quid to spare, I would rather it was sent to a cause that will benefit actual people, like Help for Heroes or Macmillan Cancer Support.

The Vulcan is a magnificent aircraft, that served this country admirably, and deserves a memorial as a defender of the realm, but this memorial does not require countless hundreds of thousands to be spent flying it around airshows.

I'm disappointed when the project, having drawn so heavily on the nostalgic contributions of the services, limits the goal of its educational mission to:

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To inspire our children and grandchildren to choose a career in Britain's design, engineering and scientific industries


Is it political correctness in the wide-reaching grab for money that has led the campaign to neglect inspiring our descendants with the nobility of a career defending their country, and celebrating the service and sacrifice of those who have served before?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 01:41 
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RobinXe wrote:
Is it political correctness in the wide-reaching grab for money that has led the campaign to neglect inspiring our descendants with the nobility of a career defending their country, and celebrating the service and sacrifice of those who have served before?


I couldn’t think of words to put it that way but, that’s how I see it myself. I still think the money would be best spent on bringing down the people who caused our wars and suffering and, continue to do so. I honestly believe that there is a time in life when we all have to make unpleasant decisions, and that time in life is now.

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The difficult decisions are being made for you.
The green parties agenda is for lower population.
The REALLY difficult decisions are yet to be made.
You cannot control population by limiting birth rate: You can only control it by increasing [the] death rate.
Work it out.
We already "import" the young from other countries.

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You cannot control population by limiting birth rate

Why not?

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jomukuk wrote:
We already "import" the young from other countries.


And why are we importing the young from other countries?

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dcbwhaley wrote:
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You cannot control population by limiting birth rate

Why not?


It leads to an increasingly old population that towards the end of their lifetimes require the support of younger people. If the age bias becomes too high then the economy will not be able to support it. At least that is what I think he meant.

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And why are we importing the young from other countries?


To do the work there are not enough indigenous youngsters to do either through numbers, ability or willingness. That is one of the reasons I have seen put forward, how correct this is I do not know.

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toltec wrote:
dcbwhaley wrote:
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You cannot control population by limiting birth rate

Why not?


It leads to an increasingly old population that towards the end of their lifetimes require the support of younger people. If the age bias becomes too high then the economy will not be able to support it. At least that is what I think he meant.




That is a transient phenomena until the population stabilises at a lower level. The transition might be uncomfortable but the long term benefit is enormous. Oops there I go again - "long term" is a dirty word in politics.

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One thing that goes through my mind is how many people are sick just because our governments make it so. You have to think like our leaders, the sicker and unhealthier people are, the more money we spend on health and care. If people where kept healthly and looked after themselves with the right foods then, you wouldn’t need such a big health care system.

Our whole system works on balance, there is no left or right, you have to keep the scales balanced, which is what our governments’ don’t do. It’s all engineered to eventually lead you down a one way street. My way of thinking is that, if they carry on at the rate they are going they will eventually have to eat their own tale. :D

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The health-care "industry" puts an enormous amount of time, money and person-power into helping old, infirm and sick people (of all ages) look after themselves.
Most people want to look after themselves.
Dig beneath the surface of the easily-seen hospital ward and you see a level of health-care worker devoted (yes, and paid) to helping people to help themselves.
There isn't much "care" in the "caring" society for those elderly unable to help themselves.
Anyway, to just have a peek around the edge of the curtain: How much are the retired dependent on the not-retired ?
Well, surprisingly, very !
Just look at how pension-derived income has dropped in the private pension industry of late.
Down to ( 1%) ?
Some people on private pensions may well qualify for pension savings credit now !
Of course, this country will never elect for early death as a way of controlling population: or war: or pestilence.
Population oversight:
http://www.globaleye.org.uk/secondary_summer2002/focuson/index.html

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