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Really? You are not managing to achieve it it very well.

hahaha!

The limit would be different for every driver, and every type of car, changing on every bend and in every weather condition and congestion setting, if you applied perfect technical scientific methods. However, you have to accommodate lower-denominator road users (maybe like me) and many different types of vehicle. So of course blanket laws and arbitary limits must be imposed. Every country in the world accepts that. You can be very clever about your scientific stuff, but... it has to be simple, stupid.

It has to be uncomplicated and understood by all, even the dipstick with the 4 x tickets on the same stretch of M3 (or wherever)

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You still haven't answered Trident's question, Ling...

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Hahaha!

The 85th %ile rule was safety based, and an effective way of setting a safe and sensible limit, so no, limits do not need to be arbitrary. Hahahaha!

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Regulation without education merely creates more criminals.

Of course it does. You cannot live on a knife edge of adreneline. THAT makes you fatigued.

A quick reacting, exiting, fast session on a computer game will leave you far more fatigued than reading a book.

Hahahahhaa. Gotta laugh.

What would you rather have... loads of tense, nervy drivers or relaxed confident drivers out there? I know which would leve me the most relaxed and alert at the end of a long journey.

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I shall go and tell the aeromedical experts at the RAF Centre for Aviation Medicine that they are all wrong then. Ling says so. Hahahaha!

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That's because it was a stupid question.

Same as if I asked if you would be happy for a store detective to follow you around Tescos to check you are not shoplifting?

However, they will catch you (sometimes) at the exit.

Same principal applies with speed cameras I guess. If you break the law, you are a zillion times more likely to get caught.

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For all those who cannot remember Ling from the past ...

Just stop posting replies. You are wasting your time. This is not a person you should attempt to argue with.

Hence this opener:

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Pilots are trained to relax. Getting worked up does no bloody good at all.

What is the opposite of relaxed? Would you really want that next time you are in an airbus?

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I have no idea what that rule is, but when it returns a result of 57.4mph, what do you do then?

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The opposite of relaxed is alert! Hahahaha!

I am a pilot!! Hahaha!

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Regulation without education merely creates more criminals.

You profess to have an informed opinion on limits and you don't know what the 85th %ile Rule is? Hahaha!

I believe the practice was to round town to the closest standard lolly level.

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Hence this opener. I certainly did not want to pretend this was my first time here.

I would have thought that with the weight of scientific evidence you bring to bear, you would have chenged the World (or at least policy) by now. But, you haven't.

Are you all REALLY gonna grow old fighting for the cause of driving slightly faster, sometimes?

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Sorry, wasn't that extremely pertinent to the discussion at hand? My 'obsession' as you have called it, of these fractions of numbers, has successfully demonstrated your erroneous knowledge of the actual figures of contributory factors; indeed this whole argument is based on statistics. I can't help it if I'm better suited than many others to understanding these issues – but is that not for the best? Do you agree I was right to highlight your errors and that my given statements are correct?

- You wouldn't want kids playing where dogs crap would you? Removing the dog (which wouldn't really happen) doesn't even compare with losing the ability to pay for the upkeep of one, or yourself, or your family. Care to tell us the rates of dog confiscation against licence confiscation for totting up?
- Robbing banks is not the same as doing the original speed limit on a motorway in clear conditions is it?
- Smoking (dangerous to others or not) is very inconsiderate, especially in restaurants. However, the law isn't proportional there either - a law mandating a smoke free atmosphere would have been enough.



This is probably my last input to this thread (unless I need to moderate).

My last word to you Ling, will you update your webpage with the necessary corrections and clarifications?

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You're right of course, I originally just intended to raise a chuckle with my parody to Steve, but as ever I find it very hard to suffer fools, and I have a few spare moments this evening

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[quote="LingsCars"]

A quick reacting, exiting, fast session on a computer game will leave you far more fatigued than reading a book.

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Sorry I have to disagree. I was playing Pinball for several hours on the PC and it didn't tire me out. But two pages of Bruce Welch's book "A Life in the Shadows" and I fell asleep.

You mentioned earlier that in the thread that seat belts, drink driving, smoking etc were all being accepted. Well not around here. We certainly smoke in our local pub and hunts foxes with as many hounds as we can muster!

A Martin Luther King said "you have a moral obligation to disobey an unjust law." As far as I am concerned you don't get a better endorsement for law breaking than that.

And before you mention Ghandi's non-violent resistance, just remember that he never got the Noble Peace Prize whereas Yasser Arafat did!

Go out on the street, ask 1,000 people and you will be lucky to find ONE who knows what the 85th percentile rule is. I have just read it. Problem is, a lower limit may be required. Eg, by houseowners nearby, farmers, traffic planners, whatever. So, to base speed limits on what most people presume is a safe speed is wrong.

You need a clear decision making authority who can make the decision. Not everyone will like it, but most will accept it. Cameras will enforce it. easy. Simple.

And rounding to the closest speed limit level is... errrr... arbitary.

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Pinball! Wow. Is that ....MS Pinball? You should try solitaire!

Do you have a Windows 95 machine?

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No it isn't, how's your English?

The safety of roadusers must override all other concerns. Hahaha!

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Now I know you are full of hot air. If I went into a pub where people were smoking, I would complain. If it wasn't resolved, I would report them. So, I know you are just making all that rubbish up. Most people are really pleased with these new laws.

So, fine... disobey the speed cameras, off you go, hehehehe, let's see how long your licence lasts.

I know nothing about foxes, maybe they are furry tailed vicious rats.

No... but Ghandi ended up with the largest democracy on earth and Arafat ended up dying in a bit of a squalid place with very little progress to show for it.

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You are so wrong, there are many other considerations. Noise to people nearby, danger to children and other people, pollution, congestion, cost, the list is endless.

Safety to road users does not override all other concerns, else we would have perfect 6-lane motorways leading everywhere with variable speed limits and top technology lighting, latest crash barriers, very best road surface, no pedestrian interaction ever, yearly re-tests, a tougher driving tests, compulsory eye tests, 6 month MOTs, higher MOT standards... but of course that nightmare wonderland does not exist.

We make the best of the mis-mash we have. Slowing down a bit helps.

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