Safe Speed Forums

jomukuk wrote:


Speeding policy was set by ACPO in order to give the motorist a "fair crack" and was presented to Parliament as such before the Road Traffic Act was ammended in 1998.

Their policy may only be "guidelines" but in relation to being members of Partnerships operating under The Road Safety Camera Scheme it is a condition laid down to the Ministry of Transport for acceptance to operate within the scheme.

All partnerships have agreed to abide by ACPOs thresholds limits and present it with their application to operate a Partnership each year.

Breach of Partnership conditions - NO CAMERA SCHEME, NO NETTING OFF so The Chief Constable has to carry on FUNDING his policy from his budget and the whole of the FPNs income goes straight to the Treasury.

That's why Lancashire, who were the only Partnership offering a SACs, in 2001, could only offer it at 35mph because that was the fixed ENFORCEMENT THRESHOLD under ACPO "Guidance" and nothing below qualified for prosecution by way of FPN!!! Not that that put them off ONCE THEY WERE IN!

In relation to SAC courses these are outside the Road Safety Camera Scheme and are offered as an ALTERNATIVE TO PROSECUTION i.e. 10%+2, and are ALL run under the criteria of ACPO!
Good link here:
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?aut ... icle&id=34

Any Chief Constable can operate a speeding policy in any manner he wishes. The law says 30 is the limit, 31 is breaking the limit and is prosecutable.True!

But if the Chief Constable chooses that's the way he wants to go he has to do so OUTSIDE of The Partnership and he funds his policy from his budget and gets NO INCOME from Speeding Fines; This goes straight through the Courts to the Treasury.

When will people understand it's ALL ABOUT MONEY ?

ACPO guidelines they may be but when Police accept them to get their greedy mitts on my CASH then they operate the system within the "Guidelines" or they don't get my money and they shouldn't get anybody elses either!

Most course attendees have been caught doing 36 or 37 mph in a 30 zone and blame lateness or ignorance of speed limits.

As we learn by watching a shocking advert showing a child pedestrian flung along a road by a driver speeding at 35mph that speed can mean the difference between life & death.
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With a recent study revealing that only 3.8% of course attendees are caught speeding again Lancashire Road Safety Group is clearly doing something right

Those caught also receive three penalty points.

Support your statements with documentation and without swearing!
Plus read the full postings and STOP referring to POLICE OFFICERS. This is about operating under the Road Safety Camera Schemes. POLICE OFFICERS don't operate under the RSCS & they can use their discretion to prosecute, however even they are ADVISED to consider anything under 10%+2 to be treated as driving without due care or dangerous driving (ACPO guidelines).

Lancashire Partnership Against Crime
Lancashire Constabulary HQ
PO Box 77
Hutton
Preston
Lancashire PR4 5SB
Telephone 01772 618733/618372

Thursday 3rd June 2004

Dear Associate Member

LANCASHIRE CONSTABULARY REVEAL SPEEDING CAUTION POLICY


FOLLOWING a review, Lancashire Constabulary has revealed details of its new speed enforcement policy. The new policy allows for the introduction of a Caution, and an enhancement of the Speed Awareness Option. These can only be offered following detection by a Fixed Safety Camera Site or Mobile Site, operated by the new Speed Enforcement Technicians. Outside this, all other speed detection should meet the following agreed levels of enforcement from Thursday 3rd June 2004.

In a 30mph limit - 38mph and above

In a 40mph limit - 50mph and above

In a 50mph limit - 61mph and above

In a 60mph limit - 70mph and above

In a 70mph limit - 82mph and above



The review, which was commissioned by the Chief Constable Paul Stephenson, examined all aspects of speed related issues, including the work of the Lancashire Road Safety Partnership. This has resulted in the introduction of a cautioning policy as well as enhancing the speed awareness option. Mr Stephenson told the Police Authority that he had decided on the review after listening to a variety of views from the motoring public and members of local communities. He explained: "It is quite obvious that people are anxious we continue to target speeding motorists who are a danger to road safety, but at the same time we recognised a need to look again at the way we dealt with lower level offenders."



From today drivers caught speeding in a 30 mph area will be cautioned at 35 mph, offered a speed awareness course at 36 and 37, and given a fixed penalty at 38. Similarly in a 40 mph area drivers will be cautioned at 46 and 47 and offered speed awareness at 48 and 49. Above that will result in a fixed penalty. In a 50 mph area drivers will be cautioned at 57 and 58, offered speed awareness at 59 and 60 and a fixed penalty at 61. The Constabulary will continue its intelligence led approach to ensure that camera sites with a higher number of casualties are prioritised.


Drivers will be eligible for up to one caution in a three-year period for their first offence of speeding. Following the receipt of a caution they will move to the offer of a speed awareness course if it falls within the
guidelines. It is to be emphasised that this is not a green light to drive more quickly in Lancashire. It is about dealing with people in a flexible and proportionate manner. Lancashire Constabulary will not reconsider any
penalties previously imposed in relation to driving licence endorsements but will allow all motorists in the county to undertake all options under the new proposal. The Constabulary's newly appointed mobile enforcement
technicians will be used on roads where analysis shows there are significant casualties.



Superintendent Clive Tattum, who headed the review, said: "It is important to remember that the safety cameras are working here in Lancashire. We are now well on target to achieve casualty reduction levels set for 2010 by next year which will be a remarkable achievement. These reductions would not have been possible without the cameras and the impact they have made on driver behaviour. The cameras reinforce our message that speeding remains unacceptable here in the county. "But at the same time we do recognise that speed enforcement, particularly at the lower end of the speeding scale, does have an impact on motorists many of whom might have driven for years without penalty. That is why we decided to introduce a cautioning policy and enhance the speed awareness training. "The vast majority of motorists in Lancashire drive in a safe and responsible manner. This has assisted us in reducing average driving speeds and road casualties. The new policy will be closely analysed over the initial three months period and if this responsible approach continues we will consider further expansion of the cautioning scheme and of our speed awareness course."



Dr Stephen Morton, Consultant in Public Health and Director of Public Health Hyndburn and Ribble Valley Primary Care Trust, said: "The use of safety cameras is a proven measure to improve road safety. They can reduce accident risks at sites with a bad accident record and can contribute to overall speed awareness across the county of Lancashire. "However, it is important to maintain public understanding of, and confidence in, the way in which safety cameras are used. That is why it is timely to review the operational policy and refine their use, based on the most recent data on accidents and traffic speeds. I strongly support this review and the commitment to jointly monitor and refine the policy over subsequent years."



Terry Carter, Section Manager for Traffic and Safety for Lancashire County Council, said: Lancashire Constabulary and Lancashire County Council work closely together within the Road Safety Partnership and share the aim of meeting the Government's targets for road safety reduction. Significant progress has already been made with the co-operation of road users and the time was right for a review of the speed enforcement policy. "The County Council has worked closely with the police in the review and entirely support the new arrangements, which are being introduced. We all anticipate that this will maintain the co-operation and commitment of all road users to casualty reduction."



John Davies, Project Manager for the Lancashire Road Safety Partnership, added: "The partnership has worked closely with the police throughout the review process and fully support the new speed enforcement policy which is being introduced. The partnership's aim is to reduce road casualties and the new arrangements, whilst maintaining this focus, will be more educational in their approach. This can only be beneficial in improving safety on our roads."
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We always smelled rats . but we accepted the course as decent per reports. Never happy about way invited. We now find Manchester drivesafe do this too

Dear Sir,
Regarding your camera speeding policy:
“Q - Do you enforce a zero tolerance policy? [top]
A - As we allow adequate lee way over the limit, we enforce a zero tolerance policy to anyone travelling above these levels.”

Could you define/explain your answer above? Is it the ACPO recommended enforcement policy?
Thank you
Mr.

Dear Mr XXXX

I am writing on behalf of David Cameron to thank you for your recent e-mail.

As you can imagine, David receives many hundreds of e-mails each week and, sadly, he is unable to reply personally to everyone. However, I would like to assure you that all correspondence is carefully read and noted, and David is most grateful to you for taking the time and trouble to get in touch with him.

As the issue you raise is the responsibility of our Shadow Transport Team, I am forwarding your e-mail to that Team so that they are also aware of this website.

Thank you, once again, for writing to David.

Yours sincerely,
Alice Sheffield

Office of David Cameron MP
House of Commons
London SW1A 0AA

We always smelled rats . but we accepted the course as decent per reports. Never happy about way invited. We now find Manchester drivesafe do this too

Good luck with the disciplinary!
Ranting like the ARP Warden from Dad's army carries no weight!
Reply by all means but remember this is not LEPs Comments on this story section for "angry of mayfair" to make unsubstantiated claims.
p.s. I noticed you "Cut out" the ACPO speed thresholds from your version of "The Guidance"!
Blackburn CTO methods of PR & conning DON'T WORK ON THIS SITE!
Again reply but don't think that you are fooling anybody here.
Your motives are suspect and remember A LOT OF THESE READERS HAVE BEEN DONE OUT OF SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS OF THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY BY PEOPLE USING YOUR METHODS THROUGH CTOs.
Possibly by YOU!

An accusation of complicity in a suspected conspiracy to defraud ?
Perhaps you know more than others on here ?

I could care less !
The fact remains that people caught at 35 are in breach of the law.
So are those at 34.
And 33.
Etc.
Fighting the case on the basis of "the ACPO says I shouldn't be done" seems to me to be less than intelligent.
As for the "conspiracy to defraud the taxpayer/government" (etc), report it to the police complaints people.
All your posts on here will make little difference, if any.