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Yimitier, keep it up ,I say, there is far too much swept under the carpet by local authorities etc and not enough people are asking the "right questions". If people are lining their pockets or ripping off the silent majority then more people, like yourself should stand up to them. Ignore the "sheep" who will do anything for a "quiet life".

Good luck with your quest,

Graball.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Let us just reiterate a few things here.
This site has been operating for years now, trying to get speed cameras [as the sole means of preventing accidents] removed.
How many have gone ?
Not too many: Captain Gatso has been more successful.
The entire road haulage association has been railing against the speed limits for trucks, to no avail.
Speed doesn't kill, we know that. Getting hit by anything moving is bad news, and gets worse the heavier the object is.
We are still going to have lower speed limits, all [political] parties tend to agree with that....apart from a few individual members.
Facts, true or not, tend to get lost, distorted or ignored.
The history of this country is one of bad news being ignored or swept under the carpet.
I think some of you still believe in "democracy".
Fact: The same people will be running this country after the next election, no matter which political party gets "elected".
The same people will be running a large amount of councils, no matter which colour party gets elected.

Oh, there are small "victories", but the machine rolls-on.........one person is sacrificed to enable the machine to continue to operate.

Cars will continue to exist, maybe for several centuries to come. Indeed, as a source of revenue they are unrivalled. A "voluntary" form of taxation. I note that fuel will rise by 2p/litre soon, and by an extra multiplier...since inflation is now -0.4%.
People will moan, but people will pay. Come the election, people will exact retribution upon the labour party, and the next government will continue the same as the last....because of "continuity of government".
Another quote:


Strange how things never seem to change ?

Another Hitler quote:


How very apt !

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Hi yomukuk,
glad to see you aren't really one on the hang 'em & flog 'em brigade for "speeding" with zero"TOLERANCE!
Yomukuk wrote!




Are you really saying that ALL Chief Constables are less than intelligent ? they agreed to operate as policy the 10%+2!

I agree this site has been around for years, and will be for many more, but on it's own I also agree it wouldn't get anything done except allow moaners & whingers a platform.
Which is exacly what the Authorities want!
I note you quote from Adolph Hitler, which considering how the regime in Blackburn CTO ran their ship, is very apt!

I prefer to quote from my dad!





Done it weeks ago! Just waiting the results. As previously posted watching for the IPCC if the Chief Constable calls them in like last time!

All very prolific.
How long have you been fighting this ?
I can trace your letters in Lancs for a few years now.
Hang 'em and flog 'em ?
No, if all drivers kept to the posted speed limits it would reduce deaths and injuries by something like...what ...5% ?
But that 5% are people...so straight away you are starting to tell people that some lives have to be sacrificed. For what ?
And you missed the point of the AH quote as well. The point was not that your dad (and others) kicked the ass of AH, but that the machinery [of state] continued to roll-on after...and still does today. Scratch the surface of "freedom" and you find that it is slowly being eroded.
Government is rather like forestry, very few of those planting trees will be around to see the fruits of their labour. But the machine still rolls-on.
I wish you well in your "fight" against small areas of the government machine, but the reality is that the majority of people are "happy" with what they have.

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Jomukuk wrote:

THIS being what?
THIS to me is not cameras!!!
Cameras are like computers - "S**T in S**T OUT"
THIS to me is the administrators who deliberately set out to rip off the public regardless of rules & regulations.
Personally I think the Road Safety Camera Scheme is fair when operated correctly.
You don't have to spend time in court, you don't need to employ a brief, you don't loose time off work and you still keep on driving.
The 10%+2 rule is pretty fair.
However IF the CTO Managers are allowed to make up their own rules & The Accountants Fiddle the books then they become THIS.
I believe Nigel Evans' questions to Jack Straw in 2007 (copy previously posted) was the catalyst to cleaning up Blackburn CTO and a lot of bodies were buried under damage limitation.
Fair enough.
However it appears to be carrying on.
So I continue..........................
Thanks for your wishes.
Democracy is not what it's cracked up to be but it's the best we've got.
When money (at any cost) is the foundations, remove that and the house of cards falls down.

I don’t know how to take you sometimes. I get the feeling from reading your posts that you are very clever at getting people to accept the way our Governments' are treating its people, and that we should all just sit back and take it. As for most people being happy I’d be interested to see the results from a vote on it.

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

But the house of cards is not falling down, the top layer [or middle] [or lower] layer is being removed and then re-erected.
Democracy may well be the best we have, or can expect: But when is it arriving ?



I'd be happy if people used theirs heads when voting [for whoever] instead of looking at the best rhetoric that money can buy and voting for their wallets.
And, even if things are going well, never sit back and take it. Even if the gov are doing well, we should expect them to be doing better: for us.

At the end of the day [and this recession] the people being blamed are not the ones who caused the problems. They are however the ones being well-rewarded for total failure. A damning indictment of the system that most think is the best we have ?
And, if you think about it, the above comment applies to the various speeding camera partnerships and senior police organisations. Loads of cameras and yet the morticians are still doing well.

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

jomukuk wrote:

So...
What are YOU doing about it ? other than just posting your thoughts & quotations of others on forums!
Enlighten us.............Please!

Now that the politics of life have been discussed:
Back to the FORUM ROAD SAFETY,SPEED CAMERA & POLICY NEWS.

Update on Lancashire Constabulary's FORMAL CAUTIONING POLICY AT 35mph.
Question to the Minister regarding Formal Written Warnings for Speed Offences in Lancashire.


Just back today:


Now this should answer if speeding motorists in Lancashire are being sent formal written warnings as per The Chief Constable's Policy from June 2004 to date ( 35,46,57mph) (NO COST)or:
Do they still get sent offers of SACs (£80.00 a time)!

I'm sure the Minister will be able to clarify once & for all!

Now.............
I'm sure that neither the Lancashire Police Authority nor The Chief Constable of Lancashire, who are both aware of this site, would allow a Minister of the Government to deliberately mislead parliament with an innacurate answer to the current Chief Constable's policy regarding the implementation of HIS POLICY in regard to speeding offences in LANCASHIRE!
In order that they don't read this forum I will forward Nigel Evan's email response to both of them in order to ensure that the Minister is not misled in her reply to Parliament!
That would never do- A Chief Constable in contempt of Parliament!
So get your figures up to date Steve! You've got about a week!!!!!!!!!!!

Just to say:


Now that the doom & gloom merchants have been seen off:
Just to say:
THANKS
Your posts are greatly appreciated

Oh, I haven't been "seen off".
I just have other things to do.
I'll be interested to see if anything comes from your [vitriolic] campaign.
Personally, more comes from entering through the back door quietly, rather than crashing through the window hurling insults. But that's just my way of thinking.
History shows that the "system" covers its a**e in response to attacks.
No doubt a sacrificial lamb will be found....
Please feel free to carry-on with your campaign.
Oh, and Bedfordshire prosecutes on speed limit + 10%, as my son can testify to: NIP for 44 in a 40 limit.

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

jomukuk wrote

and
It appears his hero does a little more than crashing through the door hurling insults!
He also claims a way of thinking.
So what if..................
Your hero was really created by the media for a bit of sensational headlines ?
You see I find it very strange that newspaper reporters and tv pundits have no difficulty in contacting him for quotes anytime they want, when the entire British police force can't catch him.

http://www.lep.co.uk/news/Lancashire-dr ... 0#comments

I have also noticed that since the new anti terrorists laws came in attacks on Gatsos appear to have stopped!

So if police can invade Parliament and check mobile phones, computers, etc it wouldn't look too good if certain editors, reporters etc were found to be in contact, with his hero,on a regular basis.

The bonus is that photos like the above LEP article shows is damaging to the debate over speeding camera operations linking them with direct illegal actions in a democratic society.
He also wrote


You don't get done on a NIP!
It just tells you somebody has been napped.
Let us know what the resolution is. Should be interesting.
I thank him for his condescending permission to carry on my campaign.
I will.......................................................

jomukuk wrote:

Here's Bedfordshires figures under The Road Safety Camera Scheme 2004/5/6.

So for what it's worth they SHOULD operate under ACPOs 10%+2
They seem to be operating a very tight ship here; FPNs issued compare to FPNs paid and about 10,000 or so cancelled NIPs each year.The first one looks like Lancashire's system of claiming showing loads of "unpaid FPNs" but it looks like they changed pretty quick & the next two years are nearly spot on.
All open & above board.
So let's hope that your lad's NIP is about to be cancelled!
Might be worth a phone call to the Partnership about their levels. They don't seem to operate SACs here yet but they say they are looking at a program.
Test 'em out might save £60.00 +3 points and that would be a small success
hope this helps!

£60.00/3 points.
The nip was via the local force, since it was a police car fitted with the gear not the local scameras.

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

That explains it jomukuk!
Hard luck! Officers discretion! Nothing can be done about that unfortunately.

You do live in a fantasy island! Or is it patmossisland? Ha Ha.
Your assessment of the figures is flawed as is your campaign. The missing figures as you describe them can most likely be attributed to guilty pleas, CPS discontinuances, etc, etc.
Keep up the good work, it raises much laughter and will come to nought or will perhaps bust one of your blood vessels.
I'm not subject to any discipline so I don't know where you are coming from with that one.
Keep boinling the blood, you are almost as good as Dad's Army.

If this is the case, then I am sure that somebody from the Lancashire partnership will be along with figures/records to show this... but that does not appear to be the case!
You seem to have some knowledge of the system - CPS discontinuances etc. are not the realm of your average motorist - which particular branch of this profession are you involved in?

I find the fact that employees contracted to uphold the law who think that they are above it, and can perjure themselves in court and not be prosecuted for it distasteful - but it would appear that covering their backsides has become a growth area in the Lancashire scheme. A good number of citizens in Lancashire especially those who have been forced to pay for the upkeep of this sorry bunch of self congratulating extortionists must be eager to see the big players trip up. However, they must feel thwarted when the LEP has to withdraw news posts from their website, or heads of departments are able to retire quietly without a fuss!

Unlike Jomukuk, I realise that it is the little things which trip up the big players in scandals such as Lancashire's money laundering schemes.
Watergate started similarly as a small operation which eventually brought down Nixon - and Clinton too was lucky to leave office without major scandal - in each case because their efforts to cover up their wrongdoing left more and more evidence!

With one of the highest number of cameras in the country, you would expect Lancashire to have an admirable track record on improving safety - but they haven't! Their house of cards is built on very shaky foundations, and Yimitier is doing a good job in shaking the table so far!
Perhaps it is because he is not so easily gagged as the Lancashire Evening Post?

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

Greenshed (probably whilst on "gardening leave") wrote:

Not true!
Facts!
Figures from Lancs Constabulary are summonses.
Figures From courts proceedings, withdrawals, broken cases etc etc.checked by The Director of Finance Cumbria & Lancashire Courts.
Get the Ministry for Justice's for motoring and check your wild statements.

Or did you used to get them issued to you ?

You are being sussed!

Ernest Marsh wrote:

Not so much gagged as misled ?
Newspapers, not just the LEP, operate in a very highly competitve business.
They rely on "official sources" to supply correct information that they can publish to the public.
The Press office is their direct link & if it's O.Kayed by them they publish. Any doubt they don't!
Now during the stormy period of LRSP 2002 - 2008? The Official spokesperson for Lancashire Road Safety Partnership was Linda Sanderson who seems to know how the Partnership should operate.
Howver the CTO manager set himself up as "official spokesman" for the Partnership & began writing to editors expounding his theory of The Principles of speeding policy in Lancashire and as he had complete authority, his words, from the Chief Constable for prosecuting anybody he considered guilty.
He also had complete control of Lancashire Constabulary's "official press spokesperson" with the knowledge that his crackpot theories of justice & prosecution should occur.
Greenshed wrote:

NO CPS involement takes place in Blackburn CTO or The Partnership.
During his regime, he was judge, jury & prosecutor.
No police officers were involved with only one actual copper being an investigative officer, (checking the facts?)
Complete power!
However how could he have any control over "The Official Spokesperson for Lancashire Constabulary"?
Well.....................
The fact that it was his WIFE might have had something to do with it!
(p.s. She also I believe, like her husband does not occupy this position any more!)

Total Power.
Power corrupts: Absolute power corrupts absolutely!

He also wrote:


Now this concerns me, as this is a website that exposed this manager's antics and was very professionally trashed. The guy that cleaned it up said" the security services couldn't have done a better job"
It's also part of my email address that I have used to register here on safespeed & the LEP.
However it is also the one used in my contact with the Partnership & Lancashire Constabulary!
This guy will be watched very closely until his hidden agenda becomes clear.