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it would appear not in THIS case

where do you find these people?

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Richie

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Try telling that to our old school bus driver, who swore blind that as he had a "license" to carry 16 in his 16 seat bus that it meant when it broke down (and being a sherpa, it frequently did) that it was alright to carry 9 or 10 of us in a saloon car... 6 in the back, 2 on the passenger sat and 1 in the passenger footwell... how times change.

mind, that was the forest of dean, it's probably still legal there, along with all the stuff involving sheep, siblings etc etc etc.

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while we in the know might laugh at people like that, there must be an underlying problem. i suggest that although there is a theory test, like the practical, it is merely monkey see monkey do so the reasons behind why they must do or mustnt do things are not explained which leaves the student knowing what the should know but with no understanding of why. this is clearly a case of they know they must wear a seatbelt but they evidently dont know why otherwise there would be no question for me to link to. the same theory would apply to all sorts of things including speed limits. the national speed limit on a single carriageway is 60 but as we all know here, that does not mean that 60 is a safe speed applicable to all single carriageway roads. dropping it to 50 may knock 10 MPH off the speed limit but unless they explain why 60 is not safe, they are not contributing to safety. all they will do is make money from people who either ignore the new limits or are unaware of them. the government seem hell bent on making lives more difficult and confusing for drivers (not to mention more expensive) rather than effectively increasing safety through education and understanding. their attention seems to deliberately avoid tackling the actual problem. my question is why?

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Oh, I remember the sixties and seventies well......a load of us kids/teenagers used to go miles in the back of my dad's Austin pick up......

Try doing that now... I remember when all the dustbin lorries used to have foot boards on the back and you would see 3 or 4 dustmen riding the back .....

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

And I wonder just how many deaths/serious injuries actually resulted from either of these acitivities.

Oh Some certainly, but not that many!

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Malcolm W.
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I remember going on holliday in a Mk1 cortina estate, 2 adults, 3 children and a baby in the boot with the luggage + surfboards on the roof rack. Now people would need 2 4x4's!
The scout troup had loan of an old fruit & veg van with bench seats and we got around 20 of us in the back.
My paper shop bundled five of us in a marina van and took us up to the posh area where there was a stash of cream crackered old bikes and we would deliver the papers to the rich and infamous.

It was only 30 years ago!

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

I'm suprised us "oldies" are still here with all the things we used to get up to. The health and safety brigade would have a fit if they knew how we used to go about life then and beforehand....can't be all dangerous though cos I'm still here and learnt a lot from it.... Personally, I think that you need a little risk and danger in your life just as a bench mark, it's like my old dad used to say , "you have to eat a bit of dirt before you die".

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Most of the answers on there are stupid.
"No." Err if you're so sure please cite.
"Everyone must wear a seatbelt." not true. Only applies where they are fitted. The driver is only responsible for anyone under... some random number age, so with a car full of "adults" not wearing seatbelts it is still legal to drive.
"Ohmygod they will die!" Depends on the size of the boot and design of car.

My Discovery can have two extra seats sideways in the boot which come with seatbelts. I think I'd prefer to sit in the boot than on them.

The only thing which might be relevant is one mention that insurance might be invalid if carrying more people than the car is "certified" to carry, but there's no citation and I don't remember my car having a certificate like that. And would I have to get another certificate if I added the extra seats?
Or what if it is certified to carry 5 people and I remove the back seats and carry 5 people? Hmmmmmm. Possibly nonsense.

If someone could post a proper answer that would be interesting.

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Andrew.

While us children of the 70's are all off topic......

Me and my mate Onder (both aged 10) on the back of one of those BMC tipper wagons (the ones with the windows in the footwells) looking over the top of the cab at 40mph on a summer afternoon, stripped to the waist.

THAT WAS LIVING!!!

Back on topic, I guess the test is pretty much OK as a starting point. As my instructor (a retired road traffic Police Inspector) said when I passed, "Well done Lad, now you can start learning to drive". Almost 30 years later and I'm still learning.