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bearing in mind that signs have been missing and broken 2 years - 4 months and not rectified........."Inspections are carried out every 4 weeks in summer and 2 weeks in winter"

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

But have folk not successfully challenge a NIP based on faulty signs in the past?


Sorry .. I am stilll reading through all 4 page here.. over a nice cup of coffee .

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Each junction which join a road with a different speed lmit require twin lollies per DSA "Know Your Traffic Signs" booklet plus the DfT web site .,.


If they not present .. then driver not been informed und can defend the NIP legally und properly as his or her democratic right

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Amazeingly folks have not challanged this limit. We have become such a roll over and steel my cash society. People down here are a real soft touch.

As you say, how can they check the signs or the lights every four weeks?

I am also going to chalange why they have not named the representives of the council to the SCP. It is scandoulous that they have not given this info or a reason.

One person has chalanged thier ticket, He drove through the signs 12 hours before I photographed them. Total coincidence, I don't even know the chap or or lasses name.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Not quite, going from a higher limit to a lower limit side road, If there are repeaters within 100m each direction you can have a single sign entering the lower limit within 20m from the higher limit

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

\but we keep records of any speed limit change here. But then we do things the old fashioned way more or less .

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I know and NIPs have apparently been successfully challenged as a resultper various ABD and press reports.

All I can say is look out for any lolly sign and rule of thumb . use 30 mph if nothing to tell you otherwise

I am not spouting the "law is law etc" line . but simply commenting that this would be common sense to me if not sure of limit in a strange area to me.

I will concede that those pinged and challenging could have a case from the information given to date.

If this occurred here.. it would be fair cop or fair discretion based on what was actually seen to occur ..

We do not tolerate nonsense in this area ... but we are still fair minded and safety led all the same.

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within my local area we have
50 limits , lamp posts and no repeaters (tebourba way)
30 limits , lamp posts and no repeaters (most of the city and villages)
NSL , lamp posts and no repeaters. (A3057 romsey golf club roundabout & ashfield roundabout)
30 limits , no signs and no lam posts. (Rownhams village)
40 limits, lamp posts, aged decreit and non complient signs that have no red or black paint on them!

To assume that to drive at 30 and you will be safe is not true. Your safety will be compromised by someone who has local knowledge of the limit and hits you due to the differential of speed or it will incite a road rage incident.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

I can confirm that Anton is correct about all those listed above but the last example is different to the others.

The point made by Greenshed is "have motorists been directed well enough?" In the first cases the answer must be "no" as the signs are simple not present and as required by law. The last case is a matter of opinion and I note that he has focussed on this grey area rather than the clearer cases.

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I don't particularly agree that one bent sign should get a driver off, as you say if a driver has been adequately informed. As a driver with a short term poor memory, I do expect a reasonable number of repeater signs, visible in daylight night time and dusk.

Certainly on the routes I have highlighted the drives have neither been adequately informed nor legally informed. However it has moved on to a higher level now. I have requested in fairly clear requests to every councillor and the councils fault reporting system and to the Chief executive that I expect the signage to be brought up to the legal standard.
I am receiving ridiculous excuses.

The chief of highways for Southampton has not got a scoobie of how to sign a speed limit! He is incharge of replacing the supporting bearings on our flyovers next month.

I have requested that they implement government policy that the camera partnerships follow government directives to check the signs every 6 months.
I receive ridiculous excuses.

I ask who represents the council on the camera partnership to which they donate over 1/4 of a million pounds to each year.
I receive ridiculous excuses.

I ask the police to investigate how three camera sites in three highways authority areas have signing defects.
They dodge the question

I ask the CPS to look at the convictions, they dodge the issue.

I am starting to ask the questions like: How did Dr Marion Sinclair and Julian Hewett get the jobs? How are they the most qualified to do the jobs? Where is the scrutiny, checks and balances that should be present in local government? Are they value for money? Doing a web search I cant find out what Dr Marion Sinclair dose or has done!
Is it actually possible to remove bad people from these cosy jobs?

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

I should get my sisters to join and post up

I do have a photo somewhere - but it's now out of date as the matter has now been rectified in one case.

OK... the first case (and I think Wildy asked the PH bibs what they thought the driver should do ,. and was told by von to "assume 30 mph" - but gave no reference to the law whatsoever.


The road was the A57 from Glazebrook junction to M6. It was NSL 60 mph , It's now 50 mph and the short dual carriageway has been made single file and created congestion according to Ju-Ju who sometimes uses that route to Altrincham if M60 is snarled by accidents etc at J13.


Shortly before these re-engineering road works to the dual carriageway stretch . all the speed limit signs had black paint obliterating the limit. No one knew what the speed limit was. An odd NSL repeater remained intact here and there though.



It now has new 50 mph lollies and a cam van

The other one .. stilll current and relates to a road in Bolton which again was once a 50 mph and now a 40 mph. They changed the repeaters but these seem to have faded to nothing within the last 3 years since the limit changed. Jazz says she will try to get me photos of these sometime.


If a speed limit is to be enforced by the cams/talivans - then they have to get the signage absolutely correct.

I think we should perhaps have a section for rogue cams and signs

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I have just been out driving in the New Forest.

You may know that the forest has a general 40mph limit off main roads but recently, a lot of villages have been reduced to 30mph. There is little or no streetlighting in these villages and thus you would expect regular repeater signs to inform you of the 30mph limit otherwise you might think it was NSL (or 40mph or whatever ....)

In fact there are pretty much only entry gateway signs with very few repeaters and I had to look back as I passed some to see what the limit was where I had just been.

Not very clever. If you turn onto one of these smaller roads between the gateway signage, you cannot tell the limit. It's no use relying on the "no signs, no streetlights equals NSL" rule here.

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Malcolm W.
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I have always thought the legal status of the unsigned blanket 40 mph zones in the New Forest and Dartmoor was very questionable and I'm sure that the likes of Nick Freeman could rip it to shreds. How is the ordinary motorist expected to know there is a specific local derogation?

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Barry Culshaw is waiting to get a case in the forrest to defend

I wonder if there is a bit of obscure legislation or a dft approved deviation from tsrgd 2002 that might cover it?

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

I would assume it has its own specific law/s. There should be some diagrams available of the signs, I managed to get some for the "Restricted Zone" on Poole Quay which - from memory - references the laws for a "Controlled Parking Zone" but without the need for many lines. Also I have some diagrams for "Red Routes" which aren't in the TSRGD 2002 or any amendments. It might be a bylaw like Poole Pleasure Grounds' Bylaws which say that if you exceed the signed speed limit (or 7mph (I think) if not signed) in any vehicle then you can be ejected from the park and/or made to pay a fine of no more than £2!

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The City council removed the plastic bag LOL.....

what is the speed limit on the sign?



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If you get nabbed for the wrong font on your number plate ... remember this....

Of course... I forgot, the signs are checked every 4 weeks by the council and 6 months by the camera partnership. DOH!

Oaklands-School. Speed limits are very important near scools too.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

The new temp. 30 limit came into force today
The terminal signs were not lit at Totton end, regents park end or Tebourba way end.
Tebourba way entrance to the site had white backing boards (should be grey or reflective yellow)
The East bound end of the limit had no terminal signs. ie the limit did not revert to 50
The speed signs co-located speed/camera signs have the speed blanked out and no replacement speed signs are present.
I didn’t have time to check all entrances. I have done a quick run through with the video to capture the general scene

repeater signs , the red circle remains and the 50 is greyed out- they need to obscure the whole sign or it could be taken as a no vehicles sign

(edit 8.07pm)
Two signs at end of m271 have grey backboards, unlit. the original terminal 50 signs have 50 greyedout but red circle still visable and are still lit.

The width restriction is advanced signed but very unclear where vehicle over 2.0m should turn left comming from totton.

commer missing from sign 6'6" (6 6") then 2.0m in a red circle. It is unusual to see both measurements in one red circle ????

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

I was informed yesterday that a roadworks end sign canceles tempoary speed limits . I have found two new indefencable flaws with the roadworks signing. Under the two flyovers there are two roundabouts where they are doing the work on the supporting pillars. after thier works on the roundabouts are a pair of men digging signs with END underneath. Thus cancelling the speed limit for the rest of the site and the other roundabout .

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

It give one little confidence in anything that they do ! Have they NO concept of quality builds TRUST !

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