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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 19:32 
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So you need that telescope?

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The madcaps are replacing a working motor car for no other reason than it is three years old. I am buying a telescope because I don't already own one. Spot the difference :D

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The madcaps are replacing a working motor car for no other reason than it is three years old.

That's your assumption. I'm open to the option of folks wanting the latest safety features, greater peace of mind in terms of mechanical reliability (short-term) and the least grimy environment and the least particulate emission, all possible characteristics new parents would look for in a vehicle.

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The madcaps are replacing a working motor car for no other reason than it is three years old.

That's your assumption. I'm open to the option of folks wanting the latest safety features, greater peace of mind in terms of mechanical reliability (short-term) and the least grimy environment and the least particulate emission, all possible characteristics new parents would look for in a vehicle.


Not an assumtion at all. To quote the op
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Her car is now 3 years old and we replace at this point, :popcorn:

Seems pretty clear that they are replacing it, as policy,for no other reason than that it is three years old.

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dcbwhaley wrote:
Not an assumtion at all. To quote the op
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Her car is now 3 years old and we replace at this point, :popcorn:

Seems pretty clear that they are replacing it, as policy,for no other reason than that it is three years old.

I would agree with you had the word 'and' was instead 'hence', but it isn't; so all I see are statements of fact without a causal connection.

I'm sure we are both capable of boring the reader to death with our skill of pedantry, so perhaps we should let the felines clarify it.

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In Gear. I didn't mean to pour cold water and what we spend our money on is our own choice. (I am currently drooling over a catalogues of telescopes).

My serious argument is against the idea that we need motor cars. We don't. Most of us choose lifestyles that can only be conducted if we own a motor car but that is a concious choice, not a necessity. A fair number of people lead a fulfilled life without a motor car and a lot more could do the same if society wasn't organised around the premise that every one owns a car.


DCB: do you have a car? I presume not...

MM: I'd have the new Jag XF!



Mmmm.. Johnny . :cloud9: I quite like her father's beast of a Merc though.. Can be tempted .. mmmm. :cloud9:

dcb . it's a CAR. This is a forum where folk like to drool and dribble down their chins over CARS. :lol: :cloud9: Cars are serious stuff to us. :lol: Both me and Wildy turn to the motoring pages and Autocar etc before reading the serious news :lol:

OK .. apologies if I am more than 20 pages :lol: Am probably replying to the whole thread here :lol:


To answer the quoted section:


Heck dcb .. I need my car here. I live a good few miles away from where I work. I am some distance from the train/bus stations so I'd still need a car to reach them.. and I then would have changes and waits on the way .... I'd get no home life as I'd be travelling harder and longer as a result. :roll:

You can certainly suggest I move closer to where I work.. but that might not be closer to where my wife works. It would not be pratical as I would pay more for a home perhaps which would not be a patch on my current home. (Grade 2 listed farmhouse which we bought as a derelict at auction when we married.. and we have spent years of time, hard earned cash .. and our own DIY efforts turning to a nice home for us to enjoy. This was near to where we were both working at the time.. but as we climbed up our respective career ladders/carved out the careers .. we found we ended up commuting.. the distances .. :yikes: ) By this I am saying that professional lives will be dynamic . .but moving house each time you change a job which is less local to you just ain't practical :popcorn:


As it stands . we face equal journey distances .. more or less. I find that fairer somehow. Unfortunately .. we do not work in the same place nor do we do the same hours .. so sharing the commute is not possible either. :wink:


OK .. to answer other points you raise ..later..

you think the car is "almost new" because it's only three years old.

That car has done quite a few miles. In real terms .. it's engine and overall wear and tear make it "older than its birthday date". :roll: In real wear/tear and the mileage she can do to her work around here or the occasional commutes to her HO in Herts . or HO /HO in Switzerland even less occasionally . .. (she hates flying.. she has metal pins from the original accident. She sets off all the alarms :lol: so she chooses to drive there. Getting strip searched as once happened did not do her temper any good :yikes: )

Thus .. the car's actually quite "old" in terms of miles driven. It's well maintained though.. but has been superseded by a better model :lol:


It was hit by a TWOC in a supermarket car park when it was 6 months old. Folk on PH advised Wildy to get rid at that point :scratchchin: as I recall. Jag was repaired to "good as new" - but the thing with the air bag exploding the way it did at the time has the new "feline" Mama now in "serious over protect mode". She wants the car with the latest safety toys. Understandable.

Personally I'd advise Wildy to buy a Merc like her father's. :lol: As it's bigger, a lot "meaner", got even more toys on board .. and outperforms the Jags completely. :lol: It can hold the twins.. the older villains and clutter :)

A bus? I'd like one.. but would then have to spend time learning to drive the damn thing and with a current household of 12 kids including fosters ... I am hard pressed for time here. :roll: (We have 7 of our own breeding.. 2 adopted and three fosters.. Yeah.. I know someone should have chucked a bucket of water over us when we got frisky :lol:)



Back to answering the quoted post..


OK dcb .. so you can argue fairly correctly (and I take no offence as it is actually correct to a point) that me and Wildy chose our lifestyle by living up here in the middle of a National Park with all the fresh air and benefits this brings to us and our kids... but we pay a price as regards the reality of "going to work for a living"

But our jobs are not actually "static". I do not work solely in one hospital. I commute between the ones around the Trust according to patient needs. :popcorn:

I have one cardiologist colleague and close pal (fellow of St Andrews/Manchester . but three years ahead of me - he was my "academic father" when I was a "first year freshman" ) .. Martyn lives in Manchester - but can be working Preston.. Manchester or Liverpool in any one week. Thus we do need our cars to get from here to there once we finally get to work :banghead: Folk then do need their cars out of necessity and not choice. We medicos are not always tied to one hospital at this level - but may spend more time in one than the others :popcorn:




Me and Wildy would also be hard pushed to cope with baby twins on public transport or in bicycle trailers too. :roll: Not to mention the rest and all their "stuff" :banghead:


I think it''s thus fair to say that we need our cars.. and that our very well maintained day cars get a fair amount of high mileage. We get rid whilst they have a reasonable trade-in value to offset the new purchase in part. We save and budget to cover depreciation by the way .. as best we can :popcorn: Basically each time we lay out on capital expense .. we immediately budget for potential replacements in 3 to 5 years time .. or a set mileage . whichever comes first. Wildy's car has reached that mileage whereby you can start paying high on maintenance as parts need replacing from natural wear/tear. Jags are notoriously bad on this score.. and why I am coming round to my father in-law's lyrics about his Merc :lol:


I have answered most of the points raised in whole thread in one long post .. :wink:

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12 kids, plus the two of you, yeah I can see why you need to replace the people carrier for something bigger.

Sounds like you need a Ford Transit based minibus rather than a Jag. Can drive one of those on a car licence and some of them are RWD too :)

I'm not sure why you'd go for the panoramic roof either. A great way to let more heat in in the summer and be even more likely to end up driving with the sun in your eyes.


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12 kids, plus the two of you, yeah I can see why you need to replace the people carrier for something bigger.

Sounds like you need a Ford Transit based minibus rather than a Jag. Can drive one of those on a car licence and some of them are RWD too :)


But we are not replacing the people carrier . but Wildy's current sporty Jag.

And we .. don't like Ford Transit vans :yikes: (They look like cam vans .. .......)

I do have a VW People carrier . but that only sits 7.. :popcorn:

Entire family outings usually require this VW and one of the cars .. usually my Jag (Estate version). :wink:

But we are talking of the replacement for Wildy's car. :lol: and she happens to be spilling her milk over this beast . :lol:

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I'm not sure why you'd go for the panoramic roof either. A great way to let more heat in in the summer and be even more likely to end up driving with the sun in your eyes.



It's "optional" and I did say she was not keen on that idea anyway.

But I should imagine it would be well tinted ... all the same :popcorn:


But .. ah.. I get her out of hospital later today. Later than we expected but she's had all her "engines stripped, various booster fuels injected and had an MOT whilst she's been there". Her first stop when we get home will be to pat her car ,, :lol:

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However, in this case, I am not suggesting that the Moggies should be prevented from buying a new vehicle or of doing anything else that is legal. But I am perfectly entitled to express my disapproval of any example of unnecessary conspicuous consumption.


Replacing a car every 3 years is very cost effective to anyone doing high mileage and needing reliability. You trade in a vehicle that still has a fairly decent chunk of it's value, and all you pay every 3 years is the difference between that and new, and don't have to deal with all the various bits wearing out and going wrong.

The reality of that may not pleasure your sensibilities, but it doesn't alter the choice they have, or mean ms. cat shouldn't make the most practical decision.

And as for the bus, given they foster kids who probably need, above all else, "wholesome family experiences", I'd say a big ol' bus that they can go on family outings is a darn good idea.


Mad Doc: dunno if a merc vito based "turbo-charged bus" would be big enough, but if so the 120 (204BHP 3.0 V6 Turbodiesel) (like mine :D ) is a hoot.

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Replacing a car every 3 years is very cost effective to anyone doing high mileage and needing reliability. You trade in a vehicle that still has a fairly decent chunk of it's value, and all you pay every 3 years is the difference between that and new, and don't have to deal with all the various bits wearing out and going wrong.


Fair enough. I suppose that everybody kept their cars for twenty years I wouldn't be able to buy a nice ten year old car every three years :twisted:

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Replacing a car every 3 years is very cost effective to anyone doing high mileage and needing reliability. You trade in a vehicle that still has a fairly decent chunk of it's value, and all you pay every 3 years is the difference between that and new, and don't have to deal with all the various bits wearing out and going wrong.


Fair enough. I suppose that everybody kept their cars for twenty years I wouldn't be able to buy a nice ten year old car every three years :twisted:


In fact tax laws allow businesses like me to write off 40 or 50% of a new vans total cost in its first year, and 25% of the residual in each subsequent year, which makes frequently renewing a van even more tempting. I guess the idea is it keeps new sales up and the secondhand market well stocked which "benefits" everyone, from dealerships to those wanting a cheap plasterer. Whether such consumerism is "right" or "wrong" is a point, but as thats "the system" all we can do is play it as it suits us best...

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Replacing a car every 3 years is very cost effective to anyone doing high mileage and needing reliability. You trade in a vehicle that still has a fairly decent chunk of it's value, and all you pay every 3 years is the difference between that and new, and don't have to deal with all the various bits wearing out and going wrong.


Fair enough. I suppose that everybody kept their cars for twenty years I wouldn't be able to buy a nice ten year old car every three years :twisted:


Exactly We replace the moderns as viable to us to so. I sorry dcb- if Ted\offend by wax lyrical over cars.


I do highest mileage ... I also love cars. :cloud9:

I have fear because air bag explode on me that time. Police were wonderful :bow: at time


Anyway I have to have something to look forward to. At moment .. I am hoist by own petard. Medics advise me not to drive till fit. I am now 7 week to this :( :( :(

We find out why I faint/feel weak. They confirm what suspected. I know that .. deep down . I know they right.. it just that I handle better if I made such decision on self :? :? Rather than be "told what to do" und I think that this fuel the anger when folk hear what they not like to hear .. so what it ist. :? :? :? It off topic.. hmmm.

OK .. back to topic instead of wallowing in self pity..

I have car which has trade-in value as nice well-looked after car. Much loved. But he has been upstaged by a better hunk of male.. sexier und sasier :lol: More toys. he more stable. I budget to replace him. He not like the classics which I also yearn for ..


Yes hairyben . I need a bus for all those under this roof. But ..we manage with the people carrier und the larger feline estate. I need the car which reflect ME as person :lol: und get me to und fromin safe speedy style :wink:

Jag? He reach age three in August. He was hit as a "baby" to me in a car park once. I had him under dealer surgery .. und he made full recovery :lol: But the force of the air bag explode on what was a 20 mph hit to a legally parked car . just as I had locked him und started to move toward my essential shoppo . rather "freaked me out a lot" It was a light hit in real terms despite the plod pursuit there. :popcorn:

I have never felt same since. I am told the new version "deliver" .. My own Papa tell me to think MERC :popcorn:


dcb. I am not a frivolous wasteful wench or Vrenchen. :lol: I have fair trade in price on a well maintained car here. It designed by computer. It cannot match Stag/Moggie?Herald/Dolomite/Toledo/Mark one/MG/E-tiype . original XJ8 or whatever as PURE classic.. :popcorn: We know it to be "ephemeral" .. so we not hold onto. :popcorn:

By the way .. enjoy reading you. No offence taken. You have an 18year old car. You look after him well . he serve you well. I have car who more valuable to me if I trade him in here. :lol: I have classics a lot older who appreciate in value here. :popcorn:

I have perhaps the business brain after all :lol:

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Read my signature line.


I have read your signature line many times and still fail to understand why you disapprove of the prohibition of murder, rape, burglary and non consensual incest.

However, in this case, I am not suggesting that the Moggies should be prevented from buying a new vehicle or of doing anything else that is legal. But I am perfectly entitled to express my disapproval of any example of unnecessary conspicuous consumption.



Your inability to comprehend my signature line is a classic example of pedantic sophistry. No reasonable person would extend it to approve of actions where someone willfully sets out to harm another. Clearly what is referred to is the curtailment of activities based on moralistic arguments rather than actual impacts.

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Your inability to comprehend my signature line is a classic example of pedantic sophistry. No reasonable person would extend it to approve of actions where someone willfully sets out to harm another. Clearly what is referred to is the curtailment of activities based on moralistic arguments rather than actual impacts.


On the contrary. The sophistry is on your part. To any plain speaking person "The only thing that should be prohibited is prohibition" is a a simple restatement of Crowley's "Do what thou wilt shall be the only law"

If you wish to complain about "curtailment of activities based on moralistic arguments " then phrase it so. Perhaps "judge me by my actions not by your opinions" might sum it up, though I admit that that lacks the Wildean pithiness to which you aspire.

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Your inability to comprehend my signature line is a classic example of pedantic sophistry. No reasonable person would extend it to approve of actions where someone willfully sets out to harm another. Clearly what is referred to is the curtailment of activities based on moralistic arguments rather than actual impacts.


On the contrary. The sophistry is on your part. To any plain speaking person "The only thing that should be prohibited is prohibition" is a a simple restatement of Crowley's "Do what thou wilt shall be the only law"

If you wish to complain about "curtailment of activities based on moralistic arguments " then phrase it so. Perhaps "judge me by my actions not by your opinions" might sum it up, though I admit that that lacks the Wildean pithiness to which you aspire.


I just looked up Pith /pithy in the Oxford dictionary :rotfl: My wife has just disintegrated in tears of laughter and I thank you for that . She needs a good laugh given what she;s been through recently :bow: "pith and pithy .. mean "full of substance" and THANK YOU mate.


Hey . I know you think we are rebels and a perhaps a bit "wasteful" .. but that not quite three year old has done a fair amount of work. She ( I call my cars "she" and she calls them "he" .. go figure that one :lol:) but that car has done a fair amount of work and has a trade in value as a well maintained car. If we leave longer .. we will have a negative value which we can only recuperate if this car becomes a "classic"! in own right. Likehihood of this with the "moderns" is more remote than with established marques and icons of the past. :popcorn:


I will keep the classics. Love them. I do not keep modern frill-falllallty frittery frothies ,, and sell to a person who will benefit from owning a nice enough car at a loss to me sometimes.

Me and Vrenchen are not perhaps quite the rebels and renegades some perceive us to be :lol: we are anti-cam.. adore our cars .. but are realistic enough to know when to let another enjoy a decent car at fair fee and replace to our specific needs.

At present .. I admit the dream Jag or whatever similar drool machine here will be Wildy's indulgence to herself.

Personally .. I admit we need to be more realistic in choice of replaced kitten-mobiles and yimitier has given me some ideas here on that one :bow:

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Stuff Jags, get a BMW 530d estate, an A6 Avant 2.5 V6 TDi, or one of those new TOD Toyota Avensis diesels!


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Oh! You poor soul...... Have you not driven the car of ALL cars yet?....

Jaguar is a breed apart, instantly recognised in Europe as "something different" to the BMW, Merc" type Ford Anglia, Volkswagen etc .....(everyones got one) type tag!

Wildcat.......Ignore them and forget them, enjoy your new Jag!

My 2000 XJ 4L has for many years now given me much pleasure and 28+ motorway MPH. I've no intention of getting rid of it!

STUFF 'EM!

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I should hope a lot +!


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Stuff Jags, get a BMW 530d estate, an A6 Avant 2.5 V6 TDi, or one of those new TOD Toyota Avensis diesels!




hmmm. the BMW might be OK .. but I still love the look of that Jag. :cloud9: :veryhappy: As Draco says - it look good.

Am I allowed to drool.. und look forward to a nice new car when I get back to toppest health again? (I have to have a nasty injection each week to bring me back to health und I had it yesterday. Urrghhh! )


und dcb? Merci vilmal :lol:


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pithy

:rotfl:

But the car ist still the cat's miaow to me all the same. :hehe:
I think Draco meant 28+ motorway MPG It quite a cost effective feline on the quiet :wink:

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Oh yes,

I've had my XJ for just over a year now.

It's effing fantastic. The presence is somethng to behold, it certainly stands out amongst the carpark full of mondeos, Beemers and Audis....difficult to arrive with discretion though

I'm planning my milestone birthday present (a few years away).....a future classic I think.....been racking my brains then suddenly remembered the XJS....what do you reckon?


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Oh yes,

I've had my XJ for just over a year now.

It's effing fantastic. The presence is somethng to behold, it certainly stands out amongst the carpark full of mondeos, Beemers and Audis....difficult to arrive with discretion though

I'm planning my milestone birthday present (a few years away).....a future classic I think.....been racking my brains then suddenly remembered the XJS....what do you reckon?


The Sovereign.. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! :cloud9:

Helll these cars are just too SEXY MALE here .. :lol:


OK,.. to those who think me to be a rigght wrong'un extravagant . wasteful whatever rudey word in mind?


I just love the cars . crave them. I think they serve planet well over time too. :lol:

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