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Edited by Claire : brought this part of the thread in from HERE Road Safety, Speed Camera and Policy News - 'Brunstrom to retire'




Since when has heroin .. cocaine.. smack.. cannabis been "recreational"? They do not add much to life's experience other than ultimately destroy lives as much if not more than a car crash does.

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Since man first experimented with them. But whatever your view on these drugs the fact is that making them illegal has had disastrous consequences for law and order. When people want something badly enough they will get it and if they cannot get it legally criminals will meet the lack. Much of the crime in this country is down to drugs.

Legalising the sale of recreational drugs, through government controlled outlets would wipe out all that crime; it would be a useful source of taxation; and it would ensure that drugs were not adulterated.

The Volstead act in 1930's USA should be a sufficient lesson of the perils of trying to prohibit drugs.



It is quite possible to use drugs such as cannabis, ecstasy and cocaine responsibly with no more harm than that of moderate alcohol consumption. And it is equally easy to destroy ones life with the injudicious use of alcohol. But whether one takes that risk should be for the individual adult to decide.

To paraphrase one of our antipodean posters - "prohibition should be prohibited"

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Maybe this should be a seperate topic about recreational drugs.
After all it was hardly how Mr Brunston earned his infamous reputation in relation to:
Road Safety, Speed Camera and policy news!
Would make a good debate elsewhere I think!

Swiss legalised them.. even Wildy voted "yes" on the basis that only registered addicts would be prescribed and gradually weaned off.


This does not mean crimes do not occur as the barons and crooks will still use the drugs to lure the kids into being their "stooges" or "go-fors"








Not happened in Switzerland - check out Google News on arrests for pushing/traficking. Despite it being legal so long as as Swiss national and a registered addict.





Life;s criminals will find another crime.. they already have by all accounts from reading the papers ..



No it is not and why the U-turn on cannabis in particular.

These drugs have a greater pull than moderate alcohol consumption. Alcoholism is a different issue. We have one adopted child who originally came to us a foster baby.

He was born addicted to heroin. We spent more sleepless nights with him than with the twins who fall asleep around 11 pm and sleep through till 6 -9 am dependent on "mood.".

Wildy herself became way too dependent on some very strong morphine based pain killers after the serious accident. Weaning her off them was pure hell to go through.




No. We have recommended higher taxes etc on booze and even upping age of imbibing to age 21 .. along with better education - stating that getting so drunk you cannot recall living the "high life" is "zero life experience". High life jinx mean Living with full speedy memorable zest as well as pith

Personally . our own have grown up seeing wine drunk with Sunday Roast. They see it as "normal to have one glass with a meal".




Depends on the prohibition. Swiss appear to have it about right.. legal if registered addict and offered on prescription only to these users. You cannot go to the GP and ask to try it . as that is prohibited. But it does not cut the crime all the same. Swiss are finding that those they are weaning off with turn to crime to get the increased dose to top up prescibed and controlled dose all the same.. per some press articles Wildy has been spitting her milk and cookies over.

PS yimitier . I think we already chatted about this before in Chat. Cannot recall the poster concerned .. but we got along fine and he saw things from my side as a medic and father trying to steer his kids away from drugs and excess drinking habits (appear to be successul with the eldest three so far .. but we have younger ones to educate to similar ethic.) I would not like to see my kids revolve their lives around cravings.. (cars are different of course )

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We use our smilies on YOU today
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It makes folk wonder just what you REALLY got up to last night!

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safespeed prospers-smiles all round! !
But the real message? SMILE.. GO ON ! DO IT! and the world will smile with you!
Enjoy life! You only have the one bite at it.

mad moggie wrote:

As I understood it conversations in p.m. (private messages) were exactly that!
This is evolving into a debate on drug usage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LIVED the 50s, & 60s!
Set up a Post about the rights & wrongs of drug usage & believe me I will enter!
I'll tell you all about the funerals I went to caused by direct overdoses, (about 2 a month for years), how many committed suicide because of indirect causes of using speed, accid, heroine, cocaine, magic mushrooms etc etc.. because it scrambled their heads, how many went to jail etc etc but it has nothing to do with your original posting and to be honest I think the right way to write dcbwhaley post name is D,C. B. Whaley!(Because WE are the WHALEYS if we don't spot it!) That's just opinion!
Please p.m me if you want to refer in open forum ANYTHING we have discussed by way of p.ms
p.s. All the best to the family keep in touch!

Here's how to hijack a post!
Anton wrote: (with apologies to Anton I think his post was excellent!)



Well maybe he is going of to be able to draw the proceeds from The 50% "Missing Unpaid Fpns that occured during his regime under the road safety camera scheme!"
Full figures from his Partnership to follow!

Well can you see how that would create an interest but it's not correct!
He might have been the most disliked person by the motorist fraternity but he kept an extremely tight ship on his area and HIS FIGURES ARE WATERTIGHT AND CORRECT TO THE BOOK!
Do you see "Cayman Island" (Money laundering) "Caribbean" (Life of Luxury, proceeds of crime etc)
Certain people on here join to play with your mind (Not You ANTON good post) They could even be journalists who are EXPERT at SLANT!
You see I believe that SAFESPEED has acheived a lot of credibility and as such has to be discredited at any cost or means.
The easiest way is to say that everbody on that forum "Talks a load of b*ll*ck*" !
But there are people whose sole intent is to abuse the lax restrictions(Freedom of speech) and then be able to quote from the forum what a load of cods is spouted on SAFESPEED by Quoting their own posts!
Anyway returning to the post:
North Wales might have acheived a crap reputation but it did it by working to the book, in my opinion.