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A595 closed AGAIN this morning - this time further north than Millom, after another accident - expected to open in the next 2-3 hours!!

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Further to the above - another fatality resulted from the above incident - a local motorcyclist.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/8045530.stm

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With hazards coming from three dimensions. That's not really the point though, the point is that circumstances other than the number on a sign have a greater effect on the 'safety' of a speed.



Not in the least, its perfectly true, and in fact it's more like 161mph. You cannot adjudge a speed to be unsafe purely because of the number allocated to it, I think this proves the point nicely.

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And I am at the very moment I am typing these words, travelling at 68,000 mph. And if I encounter another planet coming the other way the consequences will be unpleasant. But that has no more to do with road safety than your fatuous comment.

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When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

It reached levels of fatuousness with the claim that the roads round Millom can be compared with German autobhans, but when the helicopter thing came in... Well, new levels of diversionary tactics after Safe Speed supporter graball suggested 80 to 100mph on twisty dark country lanes was acceptable.

[quote]It reached levels of fatuousness with the claim that the roads round Millom can be compared with German autobhans, but when the helicopter thing came in... Well, new levels of diversionary tactics after Safe Speed supporter graball suggested 80 to 100mph on twisty dark country lanes was acceptable.
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weepej, either get some new glasses or learn to read and then you can show me where I said that 80MPH was ok on twisty roads, when in fact I said rural roads (not necessarily twisty and where did I compare Millom to the German Autobahn. With eyesight like yours you are a danger anywhere nevermind on the roads.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

You once told me that you had "better than 20/20 vision". So what's with the glasses...just for pulling birds????

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

So why does a man with better than 20/20 vision wear glasses? How am I supposed to take anything this idiot says, seriously??? I ask you!I would be better talking to the cat!

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

And now you've increased those levels with your gross misrepresentation.
No one has said or suggested that "80 to 100mph on twisty dark country lanes was acceptable"; it is obvious that not all rural carriageways have to be twisty; obviously some will be and those roads can't be compared to autobahns - yet you imply they have been.

Then there was your claim that the figures given in the Safe Speed spreadsheet were "are WILDLY over optomistic." but you never explained why when asked

You think drivers go too fast and can everyone should slow down, but you've never quantify any of it when asked.

You claim to have "in the dark in best conditions at night to be able to stop in good time if there's something unlit in the road, max 50mph." but won't say where you read this when asked.

You couldn't bring yourself to reply to the possibility that the road where the person claimed was doing 100mph, was lit.
Then you couldn't explain why you thought it was "Highly likely that he just had his foot down and was relying on luck."

Then there's the lack of the requested link of the woman who "knew the road"

Are you going to continue your own diversionary tactics by evading those issues yet again?

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So then you concur that a value assigned to a speed cannot make it 'dangerous' without consideration of the circumstances.

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"Braking/panic assist": yeah, that's it.
I would agree, but the given reaction time of 0.75 secs compensates the finite onset of decelleration. I think it's reasonable to assume 0.75 secs to decent breaking force (as opposed to just first touching the pedal), especially given brake/panic assistance. After 0.9G is achieved, I don’t see why that rate can’t be maintained (constant coefficient of friction and downward force).


I'm almost warming to this, but the given caveats do it for me (such as " A good modern car with good brakes and tyres on a flat dry road..."), but you're not me
What other caveats do you think it needs?

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The x/20 classification is only for distance vision. Many older people have 20/20 or better distance but still need glasses for reading. Perhaps Weepje is the same?


Even the car would find it difficult to take some of your posts seriously

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

I do. But on a forum whose putative purpose is th discussion of road safety it is not unreasonable to assume that, unless qualified, speeds refer to motor vehicles on public roads rather than to helicopters, ocean liners, racehorses or comets.

And it is equally disingenuous to refer to an out of town motorway as a "rural road" That term has a generally accepted meaning which I shouldn't need to spell out

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

So what's the difference, in safety terms, between a "rural" motorway and a "rural" dual carriageway?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

The same as between any motorway and its corresponding dual carriageway. Why do you ask?

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Who was that aimed at, me? If so could you explain why you said that, I can't see where I made such a link. Motorways obviously aren't rural roads (nor are they classified as them).

Before people lose sight of what this was about, the original comment was about someone doing over 100 on a "rural road". A rural road can be multi-carriageway, straight and have no entrances for great distances; they need not be twisty.

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No; at Graball.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Great, we're clearly getting somewhere then!

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Regulation without education merely creates more criminals.

Not really. I have never denied that safe speed is a function of many different variables. Indeed, the reason I joined these forums is because I am vehemently opposed to the one-number-fits-all policing of speed limits. Where I differ with you and the majority of other posters is in what that safe speed is.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

A seed for a good thread!

How or why do you think you differ?
For you, what is a safe speed (and what do you think that is for majority of other posters) ?

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