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Teachers face MOT every five years to prove fitness to teachGovernment introduces new licence to teach amid widespread changes to English school system
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Teachers will have to undergo MOTs every five years to make sure they are fit to teach, under proposals announced today designed to weed out bad teachers.

The government is introducing a new "licence to teach", similar to the new system for doctors and solicitors, under which teachers will be assessed regularly by heads and face having their licences revoked if they are not up to scratch.

Ed Balls, the schools secretary, said: "It may be that we will discover some teachers who don't make the grade ... We want this to be a profession which is continually learning and developing, and that will be central to the licence.

"It's saying we want to ensure the best teachers in every classroom in every part of the country."

The plan is contained in a white paper published todayby Balls, setting out widespread changes to the English school system. It reveals new plans for one-to-one tuition for every child who is below the expected level at 11 – currently one in five of all pupils.

By the end of the first year of secondary school, these pupils will undergo a progress check to make sure the tuition is working and they are catching up.

The white paper reveals embryonic plans to overhaul the school funding system to redirect money to schools in the poorest areas of the country. It could mean that high-performing schools in well-off areas will face cuts as a result.

The white paper also:

• Sets out plans for a new report card judging every school on six factors: pupil progress, attainment and wellbeing, parental and pupil perceptions of the school, and how well schools are narrowing the achievement gap between rich and poor. Balls said he was "convinced" that the report card should include a single-grade verdict for every school.

• Gives parents guarantees of a place at school or college for their child until the age of 18, a promise of one-to-one tuition if their child is falling behind and a personal tutor throughout secondary school to give them pastoral support. The document promises that every 11- to 14-year-old will have "relevant and challenging" learning and that pupils who are judged to have particular talents will be given a written plan from their teachers of the extra support and challenges they will receive.

• Puts parents under new obligations to support their child at school. They will have to sign stricter home-school agreements and would face fines of up to £1,000, enforceable by the courts, if they fail to meet the conditions.

• Introduces a new wave of federations and chains of schools, where good headteachers are given control of more than one school to spread their expertise.

• Signals the end of the centrally controlled national strategies, which include the literacy and numeracy hours, to decrease Westminster control of schools and give headteachers more powers to drive up standards.

If schools are failing to meet the guarantees to families, parents can complain first to the school, then the local authority, and ultimately to the local government ombudsman, says the document, Your Child, Your Schools, Our Future. But headteachers have warned that such guarantees could ultimately see schools being challenged in the courts.

The plan for a new licence to teach will begin in September 2010, starting with newly qualified teachers, teachers who are returning to their jobs after a break from the profession and then supply teachers, before a national roll-out. If teachers disagree with a verdict, they can be given a temporary licence while appealing against the decision through a tribunal.

The scheme comes in response to concerns among heads that it is difficult to sack underperforming teachers.

Balls also announced new interventions in four local authorities – Milton Keynes, Leicester, Blackpool and Gloucester– because of "concerns" about education standards. Milton Keynes and Leicester face improvement plans, externally commissioned by the government.

Michael Gove, the shadow schools secretary, said: "Ed Balls has refused to give teachers the powers they need to deal with violence and disruption, such as removing the restrictions on teachers removing disruptive pupils. He rejected our plan to give teachers the power to search for banned items. He rejected our plan to let schools make parent contracts compulsory. His new gimmicks will not solve the deep problems we have with bad behaviour in schools."



We do indeed get regular assessments. DO not know if GPs are subject to the same rigid assessments.


But do not see a problem and still think that something similar - even if just a re-test on driving theory - could be applied to all driving/riding on the roads. :bunker:

I happen to agree with the sentiments in the last paragraph of this piece though. I know from long experience and experiences to come .. being a Papa ain't easy and our youngest son takes after his mother :yikes:

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hmmmm... a good start i guess.

doesn't really address the fact that it's nigh on impossible to get rid of a rubbish teacher.. without a long drawn out process.
some heads will no doubt be looking forward to doing some pruning every 5 years ! :D


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I know.. tis difficult. We have such assessments in my profession. I cannot see the problem to be honest. :popcorn: I know.. it's where I got the 5 year driver assessment idea from back in 2004.. :o :o :o

OK .. I've sisters who are teachers. Wildy has cousins who teach. IG's wife also teaches as does one sibling of his who did not choose "tradition of police career" :lol:

Hey .. we've a lot of time and respect for teachers (and police officers :wink:) as we know exactly what they do .. what goes into their jobs.. their DEEP PROFESSIONAL COMMITMENT ..and they put this second after family commitments .. as in precedence over their own lives.

Are there bad teachers? Oh yes.., same as there are weak to incompetent doctors/nurses/health visitors/social workers/lawyers/police officers.. :bunker: We all hope to weed out these people.. or retrain them if "salvagable" as no one can be written off as a "failure" - we all have faults which we can correct if we wish to at those professional levels :popcorn: :? :?

Such an appraisal should follow the same model as applied to doctors/nurses .. whereby we try to steer back to steadier course of normal calm if we can. I think those who fail . cave in to the stresses of life... and I freely admit that "chalk face/mining face " police/medics/teachers have it hard by routine 24/7. In utter fairness of mind.. I'd like to see some better support to the juniors who feel overwhelmed by the public at large.

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What a load big hairy S***

I get performance managed every year.
Our Department is reviewed every year (All teachers observed and graded).
We are ofsteded every three years (max)
If our classes don’t meet there target grades questions are asked

Rubbish Teachers can be removed and if head wants to, it is not impossible, it has happened in my school several times.

As a profession we are reviewed more than enough, and under more than enough pressure.

If this comes to place I will look into another profession.(this is not because I am rubbish my last observation I was graded good with outstanding features)

So in conclusion it is a good way to get rid of good teachers who are fed up with the bullshit.

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Also a good way for bullying managers to get rid of people they don't like....


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Cant understand why anybody would want to be a teacher anyway (Or a social worker/policeman etc)

Chances are that these roles are increcingly being filled by people who cannot get jobs anywhere else! This isnt (yet) Stalins Russia. You cant force people to fulfill certain roles in socioty (Like I said elsewhere, the new "Corperate Manslaughter" laws might well result in some contracts simply ending up with no tenders! What do we do then??)

Not surprising that we end up with Baby P's, G20's and children who cant read!

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Cant understand why anybody would want to be a teacher anyway (Or a social worker/policeman etc)


I wouldn't want one of those jobs but it is not difficult to understand why certain types of person gravitate toward jobs which give them a lot of power over other people

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Plus ca change! Forty years ago, when I was at University,it was very common to hear not very good third year students say "I don't really know what I want to do so I am signing up for the Teacher Training Course"

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not very good third year students say "I don't really know what I want to do so I am signing up for the Teacher Training Course"


Oh Cheers. Degree classification does not bear any relevance on how good a teacher you will be.


People with phds can be very bad.

As I always say to people with you type of attitude, come to my school and teach for week. I will plan the lessons, if you find that easy you can plan all 19 hours of lessons, plus paper work and run my department. because it easy cos only shite teaches.

It is not my first choice job, but I planed to do this if I could not get my first job. it has nothing to do with power over people.

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Sorry Sir. I didn't mean to attack you personally or denigrate your job. I was making general comments.

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Oh Cheers. Degree classification does not bear any relevance on how good a teacher you will be.


Of course not. The point I was making was that people drifted into teaching because they didn't know what to do. You must agree that that is a very bad reason for choosing a career.

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Tell me about it. Just finished repairing some expensive damage caused by a PhD who thinks he knows more about electronics than a professional engineer with 40years experience. That attitude permeates University science departments.

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As I always say to people with you type of attitude, come to my school and teach for week. I will plan the lessons, if you find that easy you can plan all 19 hours of lessons, plus paper work and run my department. because it easy cos only shite teaches.


I never said that. I have said that I couldn't do the job myself and I admire those of you who can do it and especially those of you who do it well.

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The trouble with education it is a political play thing. They change the curriculum every 5 years both key stage 3 and 4 (I assume KS 1 and 2). The science GCSE which changed 2/3 years ago is set to change in a year or so. We where given less than a year to prepare the new KS 3 curriculum(current year 7) we have only just been told how they want us to assess it! They constantly interfere. When ED balls canceled the SATs first I knew was from the news. He did this when the year had started!!!! Once again no notice, leaving us in the crap wondering what to do with our yr 9. There is unqualified staff teaching classes, we have 4. Less people want to teach because of pointless paper work and unnecessary stress and pressure. This will be an added and unwanted extra pressure. It would be nice if I could get on with my job with out the government poking it’s nose in.

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ree.t wrote:
There is unqualified staff teaching classes, we have 4.


I've taken my kids out. School's out for them, permanently. It's a waste of a
childhood. How many people here actually liked school, or even learned much?

Nope, I'm done with schools. I can't imagine why any parent would send their
kids to one. What drives them to do that? Are they mad???


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How many people here actually liked school, or even learned much?


I loved it. Got me out of the house for half the waking day. God, the idea of being stuck at home with the parents all day is appalling. And I learned all sorts of useful stuff.

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The trouble with education it is a political play thing ...... It would be nice if I could get on with my job with out the government poking it’s nose in.


It appals me the way that politicians try to micro manage the education process. They don't do this with any other profession that I can think of. I man politicians don't go round telling engineers what size bolts to use on a bridge, or surgeons what scalpel to use. So why tell teachers not to use "eye before eee except after cee" as a teaching aid.

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I loved it. Got me out of the house for half the waking day. God, the idea of being stuck at home with the parents all day is appalling. And I learned all sorts of useful stuff.


dcbwhaley, you must never start a sentence with "got"or "and". And don't take the Lord's name in vain. Now stand in the corner, you naughty boy!

Seriously, my brother was a bit like that. Maybe they worked back in your days, old timer, but they are broken now. We're pretty lucky because we've bought a place on the moors. We'll just buy them mountain bikes, and tell them to get lost. As for the learning, forget school. You'd be mad to depend on schools to teach your kids.


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It appals me the way that politicians try to micro manage the education process. They don't do this with any other profession that I can think of. I man politicians don't go round telling engineers what size bolts to use on a bridge, or surgeons what scalpel to use. So why tell teachers not to use "eye before eee except after cee" as a teaching aid.

Maybe they want only a certain kind of "education"?

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From first post

"Teachers face MOT every five years to prove fitness to teach Government introduces new license to teach amid widespread changes to English school system"

But then - WE HAVE COMPULSORY CHANGES OF GOVERNMENT EVERY FIVE YEARS - TO PROVE THEIR FITNESS - AND WHAT DOES THAT DO????


edit - to add -

We have one lot led by NUTs teaching our Kids , and another lot of NUTS leading the country - so where do we stand ?????

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