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Per the "Manchester Evening News" - 4/03/05

A yound dad escaped serious injury on M62 M/way when yobs chucked a 4 foot iron bar from a motoriway bridge at Warrington. The rear window of the day old car was shattered and Mr Toulmin was covered in glass. He was heading towards Liverpool when the bar was flung from a footbridge just after the exit leading to the Gemini Retail Park. Mr Toulmin said: "I heard an explosion and the car veeered all over the road. It was fortunate no other cars were near me. I managed to get the car onto the hard shoulder and saw the 4 foot metal bar in the car..

"For 20 minutes or so - I could not do anything because of the shock."

Mr Toulin has a 20 month old daughter and continued:

"If my child had been in the car - she would be dead as she would have been in the child seat at that point of impact.

"These lads nearly killed me. It's beyond belief they could do this!. It was dark - but I have no doubt the bar was thrown from this bridge: there were beer cans and debris on the carriageway which had obviously been dropped from that bridge."

When Mr Toulmin phoned Cheshire police - they said they would send a message to all patrols - but no one was sent to the scene. They said someone would ring him with a crime reference number!"

Er ...we are talking of behaviour which is far more dangerous than speeding - though no doubt had Mr Toulin been driving at a speed above 70 mph - there would have been no delay in demanding money with menaces

Mr Toulin informed the glass replacementent company and told them the location. They knew the exact location as other vehicles have been damaged at this spot!"

Chief inspector Lomax of GMP's Motorway Unit:

"We occasionally get reports of people throwing things at passing cars from bridges. The sad thing is - they don't realise the consequences of their actions. Poeple can die and it's a murder/manaslaughter charge. The motorway is not a playground and people will get hurt if it is used as one"

No kidding! So where the ***** are the patrols?

( Oi! Callaghan! You are so full of your "safety campaign" What about education on this one! More useful than handing out flowers to people who may be bereaved for reasons other than car accidents ..)

A spokesman for Cheshire police claim they sent a patrol within 9 minutes of being informed by Merseyside polcie who took the initial emergency call. They claim Mr Toulmin had moved on.

Like I really believe that one

In 1998 Cathy Hall was scarred for life after a brick attack on the nearby M602 in Salford. The 16 year old boy who threw the brick received a mere 18 months in youth custody for throwing the brick.

Something not right here when penalty points for marginals affect lives for 5 years - if you take insurance into account.

Remind me again - which offence is the more dangerous?

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What Mr Toulmin should have said when he phoned the police was something along the lines of "i can see the yobs who threw the bar and i am going give one of them a clip round the ear". That would have got an immediate response - to arrest him.

And the poor bloody Truck Driver who was MURDERED by a brick dropped from a bridge on the M3.
Mind you, the Police played a blinder on that one, using the most difficult of DNA evidence, they got the scum and locked him up, can't remember for how long though

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Believe it or not the little shite only got six years, in yoof custody to begin with as he was 20... real nick after 21 though. Probably be out in another 2-3 years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3639057.stm

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Two years ago this government sent our troops (me included ) off to fight a war that was supposed to be about abating the threat to our safety from terrorists. I didn't believe it then and don't believe it now.
I believe that the biggest threat to my own personal safety and that of my family does not lie not with some hate crazed terrorist hell bent on making a martyr out of himself in one of our highstreets. Instead, I am far more concerned about becoming another headline victim of some unstable, warped yob who wants to get his/her kicks by attacking some complete stranger for no reason. Furthermore, I don't believe I am alone in this respect.
And the sooner that the foul and dishonourable indvidual running this trainwreck of a country wipes that shit-eating grin off his stupid face and gets it through his thick skull that people like myself want some real action on this issue the better, for him and all of us.
And sticking poisoned little men in vans to point cameras at my car or bike as I'm passing by a couple of MPH over the posted limit is not doing much to secure my support at the next election either.



Ummm...rant over BTW

Likewise. Not made the world any safer - has it either? I am amazed at the powers of arrest I have to arrest someone before they have committed an offence (Just like scamerati - "in case they might - er harm someone "..)




You are not - our lads are more likely to get harmed by yobs on our dodgier pockets than by a terrorist. Given that the grinning idiot of the multi-coloured contact lens (which must match his shirt and tie) has a constituency on our patch - could say we should see more of these terrorists running around (and we don't).

Has anyone else noticed that each time this government introduces dogy legislation - there is always some royal "scandal" which hogs the headlines? It does strike me as "odd" but am a cynical old so- so where this idiot is concerned....





Top rant - mate!

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Are you suggesting this war didn't work!!


In our firearms training we have recently been given almost as much training input on how to deal with a suicide bomber as we have had on dealing with the nutter with a knife . This is because it has now been included in national police firearms policy documents.
Now you tell me who I'm more likely to deal with on Bowness Prom!

I recall hearing that globally, terrorism has in recent history been responsible for 500 deaths per annum. Is there a political gain to be made from raising the fear of terrorism from where it should be, i.e. non existent?


I, like many others voted labour in 1997. My own views tend towards left of centre, and I spent some time socially with Gordon Brown as a 'stoodent' in the 70s, so I felt I had a bit of an obligation. There was a sense of real optimism that social justice, and politics with conscience would take over from the grey man presiding over a sleaze ridden party. Allied to a more laisser faire attitude to the economy, I thought we were on a winner!

Could I have been more wrong?!

But where are the convincing alternatives?



Ouch!

No-one wants to see speeders flying through villages and motorways at illegal inappropriate speed, indeed if the camera prosecuting profile was set to 95th percentile and above, there'd probably not be too many complaints.

The problem is that the 70th to 85th percentile drivers are the ones who will keep the cameras operating cost effectively. (opinion - not inside knowledge )




I see you, Rigpig as more open minded than most and tolerant of that which may inconvenience you, because you see the greater need for it.

Hence the rant is one to sit up and listen to.

I am impressed by the strength of intellectual argument on this forum, and routinely compare that to the counter argument and justification for cameras. It is largely indicative of the way the political scene is now, which is that policy, whether right morally, or right for the country (in a benign dictatorial way), or simply wrong on both counts, is propped up by facile argument, flawed statistical analyses, and misinterpreted expert opinion.

Every political party does it, but it's become very, very obvious with the current incumbents.

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It got us all running scared, and secured some large oil fields for the Bush dynasty, didn't it??...

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OK, perhaps that was a little strong. It's not the individuals doing their job that is poisonous, it is the policy that puts them there in the first place. The policy that means, when the driver of the Toyota exiting the roundabout yesterday morning veers towards me because he's juggling his damned precious mobile phone, there's less liklihood that a Police Officer would be around to see it and bang a ticket on his stupid ass.



Thanks for that. One doesn't spend 27 years in the armed forces without becoming tolerant of inconvenience My main stance on this whole issue is that yes, we should try and obey the spirit of the law but there is a limit. I know I slip over the speed limit from time to time but don't believe that a speed camera is going to make my driving any better or safer by nailing me right at the point when I do so.

And on the broader issue, it is high time the UK government began taking a leaf out the books of (dare I say it) the French; ignore exotic jaunts to oil laden lands which we cannot really afford and begin looking after our own people for once.

Hooray for some common sense from Rigpig & Ian.
The Speedfinder General and JJ were both in the armed forces, I believe. It doesn't seem to have done much for their ability to understand logics and politics, does it.