Safe Speed Forums

The campaign for genuine road safety
It is currently Sun Nov 09, 2025 17:04

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:26 
Offline
User

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 13:34
Posts: 14
Location: Kingston Upon Hull
in short for those who dont want to read the full article:
Local East Yorkshire village buying a speed gun getting trained by police and clocking motorist who get a 'letter' (not a fine or points, but repeat offenders may be targeted by the police)

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/East-Riding-villagers-mount-speed-patrols/article-1184154-detail/article.html

Quote:
East Riding villagers mount speed patrols

VILLAGERS are to be trained by the police to use speed guns, in a drive to put a brake on motorists.

Pilot schemes are to go ahead in several villages, which could lead to the initiative being rolled out across the East Riding.

Under the scheme, communities are expected to raise about £2,000 to buy a speed gun, which would become the property of Humberside Police.

The police will train volunteers in operating the equipment, as well as safety and managing hostile drivers.

Community speed watch volunteers, who will wear high-visibility clothing, will record the registration numbers of speeding vehicles and pass the details to the police.

Offenders will receive a letter saying they were breaking the speed limit and advising them not to do it again.

Persistent offenders will be warned they may be targeted by police and, if detected speeding, the driver will be prosecuted.

Volunteers from Beeford Neighbourhood Watch will be among the first to trial the initiative in the East Riding.

Six volunteers will be trained and will operate in pairs on the village's 30mph Main Street. Volunteer Gill Cuthbertson, 38, said: "We don't want to have to wait for a child or someone to be knocked down or killed – we want to do something about the speeding traffic now.

"Hopefully, this will be a deterrent for speeding drivers. They won't know what times we will be there. We could be there at any time.

"If we continue to get drivers who are constantly speeding, the police will take action."

Sergeant Dave Jenkins, who is leading the initiative at Beeford, said: "They will be expected to carry mobile phones, so if there are any problems they can phone us.

"Sometimes, police community support officers will be doing it with them."

He insisted the initiative was not policing on the cheap.

Sgt Jenkins said: "It's like Neighbourhood Watch – we are supporting them to deal with local issues."

Pilot schemes are also being considered for several villages in Holderness, including Burstwick and a cluster of villages on the B1445, between Patrington and Easington.

Chief Inspector Paul Cunningham, who is responsible for neighbourhood policing in the East Riding, said with 933 square miles to cover, officers could not be on every road.

Chief Insp Cunningham said: "When tackling community issues we look to involve the community as much as possible, because we recognise people want to be involved.

"When they are involved, they feel empowered, because they are resolving a problem to their satisfaction.

"It also frees up our resources for us to tackle other issues."

Councillor Peter Turner, chairman of the Holderness Local Action Team, is looking forward to the launch of the initiative in his area.

He said: "I think it is going to be marvellous and quite revolutionary if we get it going properly.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:47 
Offline
Friend of Safe Speed
Friend of Safe Speed
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2004 23:09
Posts: 6737
Location: Stockport, Cheshire
This kind of thing often comes up on here. In general, the schemes only have a limited life, as those involved find that:

(a) they end up creating division in the community by "targeting" friends and neighbours
(b) they are frustrated that they can't actually initiate any prosecutions, and
(c) once winter comes, the attractions of standing outside in the freezing cold and p*ssing rain with a speedgun rapidly diminish

_________________
"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 14:40 
Offline
User
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2005 13:55
Posts: 2247
Location: middlish
i'm curious to know how the police will be targetting regular letter receivers.. (and legally on what grounds ?).. given they dont have enough police to run such schemes themselves.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 14:58 
Offline
Gold Member
Gold Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 08, 2004 14:26
Posts: 4364
Location: Hampshire/Wiltshire Border
You do realise that these schemes were invented to shut up moaning locals and the police really don't give a stuff about them.

_________________
Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 15:28 
Offline
Life Member
Life Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 22, 2006 13:54
Posts: 1711
Location: NW Kent
ed_m wrote:
i'm curious to know how the police will be targetting regular letter receivers.. (and legally on what grounds ?).. given they dont have enough police to run such schemes themselves.


Quote:
Persistent offenders will be warned they may be targeted by police and, if detected speeding, the driver will be prosecuted.


Being targeted may be an empty threat, unless they get lots of people from the same area, say Beeford. The chances are though that the letters would go out to drivers scattered along the coast as the main coastal commuter road runs through Beeford. Could repeat letters be used to remove the speed awareness course option if caught by a real camera?

_________________
Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 21:44 
Offline
Member
Member

Joined: Thu Jun 23, 2005 02:50
Posts: 2868
Location: Dorset
The letters don't go to drivers, they go to registered keepers.

_________________
Andrew.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 21:56 
Offline
Friend of Safe Speed
Friend of Safe Speed
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2004 23:09
Posts: 6737
Location: Stockport, Cheshire
Ziltro wrote:
The letters don't go to drivers, they go to registered keepers.

So no doubt fleet managers just chuck them in the bin.

_________________
"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 23:05 
Offline
Member
Member

Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2005 18:54
Posts: 4036
Location: Cumbria
"Oh!, it's YOU vicar"! I didn't. er, I mean, I had no idea, er...

:lol:


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:15 
Offline
Member
Member

Joined: Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:30
Posts: 2053
Location: South Wales (Roving all UK)
The other day I was trying to build my two year old's bike....very complex as I'm sure you can imagine.

Mini CE was keen to help but to be honest it was a bit more of a hinderance so I found his plastic screw driver and pointed him in the direction of the push chair. He was over the moon becuase he was 'helping daddy'.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 20:34 
Offline
User
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2004 23:42
Posts: 3820
malcolmw wrote:
You do realise that these schemes were invented to shut up moaning locals and the police really don't give a stuff about them.


You may think so.. I cannot possibly comment ..


to quote a famous line from a brilliant satryical drama of some years back...:wink:

_________________
Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!


Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 20:43 
Offline
User
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2004 23:42
Posts: 3820
Seriously..


What works is a tactful visit to a reported "road user aggressor"

I do not think we coud use any evidence which has not been verified by an officer in uniform in a court of law.. nor could any speed cam evidence taken by an amateur be used to convincing effect as required by a court of law. Lawyers like Nick Freeman love these GIFTS of CASES to their pockets. :roll:

Gimmicks do not work. We find real police targetting and preventing works a hell of a lot better for longer terms. Call us old fashioned if you like. :popcorn: I think our stats show we do job without the headline fancy froth.

_________________
Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!


Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 21:00 
Offline
User

Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2004 20:00
Posts: 115
Location: Berkshire
This evening one of the local busy bodies was out with his Council issue SID taking up the whole of a narrow footway and the only way to get around him would have been to walk through a hawthorn hedge or step out into the road. Very dangerous in my view for those walking with children as you are forcing people to step into the road. Was very tempted to park up walk along the footway and if he did not move himself and kit report him for obstruction under the provisions of the Highways Act. Also tempted to write to Council and Police to ask what instructions are issued to these people, what RAs are carried out and who and how are people like him monitored as well as posing the question if someone did step into the road was injured who would be liable?. Him personally, the Council, Police authority Camera Partnership? The latter of course might be difficult as they are not a legal entity in their own right.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ] 

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You can post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
[ Time : 0.039s | 12 Queries | GZIP : Off ]