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The real reason they [greens] hate nuclear is because they KNOW it can deliver the goods.
It makes their dream of a Britain where the population is a sustainable 13 million unattainable.
A population using mainly public transport would, effectively, cease to go anywhere after the pt ceased to "run".

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

I quite agree with that. But is an anti-car mindset not an anti-freedom mindset. They want to deprive us of cars for various reasons, some good and some bad. But with them it is, contrary to jomo's contention, the car per se that is the target not our freedoms in general.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

But I would suggest the dislike of private motor transport arises from a generalised dislike of freedom rather than being an isolated phenomenon. People's opinions generally reflect an overall view of the world and don't exist in disconnected boxes. For example, I wouldn't expect many anti-car people to be very keen on free trade.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Even if that is the case the effect is still a reduction of freedom. Without personal powered transport movements are restricted to those you can make under your own power or to the locations and at the times provided by public transport. If public transport is available to your destination the cost or travel time may effectively make the journey infeasible.

Movement of people or goods requires energy, at the moment the most compact, portable and convenient energy sources we have are chemical oxidation based. Renewable biologically produced energy sources cannot it appears supply the requirement or at least not without impacting on food production. Electrical power for charging batteries or producing hydrogen cannot be supplied by renewable sources for the same reasons we cannot make enough biofuels for vehicles. Nuclear power is a stop gap that may sustain us beyond fossil fuels at the cost of dealing with the waste and the potential hazards if something goes wrong. Unless and until we come up with some new way of generating energy, e.g. fusion, the most sustainable sources we have are solar, gravitic, and geothermal.

Of course even clean power may not solve everything, we have already seen the way cities have higher mean temperatures with the suggestion that it is due to the local heat sources we have created.

This co2 stuff is just rubbish, there are much bigger problems coming.

Edit - Not to mention the urge for reducing carbon footprint keeps falling over its own shoelaces.

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
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And I would suggest that you would find it dificult to substantiate that statement Groz is arguing from a Socialist and a pragmatic view not an anti-freedom view. If he does, like many Socialists, wish to restrict certain freedoms for some people it is in the interest of promoting greater freedom for a greater number of people. The fact that his solutions are unworkable brings me back to my original point that politicains like Groz mean well but are unable to deliver, indeed often deliver the opposite of what they intend. Cockup not conspiracy



Again an opinion which I would challenge you to justify.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

I entirely agree. But that does not detract from my point that anti car politicians are driven (sorry) by good, but misplaced, intentions not by a hatred of individual freedom.


I would challenge that assertion. Hydrogen can be generated by solar, geothermal, tidal or wind power and can be stored.


Like the exhaustion of the petroleum reserves

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

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They are not renewable, just very large and unlikely to run out within the lifetime of the human race. Ok, so I am being pedantic

Besides you cannot use most of those without upsetting at least one set of greenies - tidal barrage across the Severn?
The system being trialed at Strangford lough looks to be working, however the generated power is erm just a drop in the ocean.
I am all for clean energy sources and generally not wasting resources it is just he carbon and agw dogma that I do not llike.



:yes: Though tar sands and fields in more difficult situations such as under the Artic may extend the availability.

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

Current cosmological models predict that new stars and planets are been and will continue to be formed all the time; so those resources are being renewed, albeit not on planet earth.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

Our local CONcil want to reduce the main road through this little hamlet to 30MPH, despite the fact that the main road fronts no more than approx half a dozen houses, no schools, no shops and a pub that shut down about two years ago.

http://www.multimap.com/maps/#map=52.64 ... %20SY5%206

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Perhaps the pub closed because no one could cross the road to get to it.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Not even the chicken ?

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Having visited the hostelry in question, I would say that a dismal lack of quality on the ale and food front will have been the primary driver of its closure. Shame, really. An agreeable village like Leighton needs a nice pub, in the same way it does not need a 30 limit (the homes adjacent to the road are imposing and are a good distance away from the road itself).

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Every night this week, our local paper has listed at least two "villages" wanting 30MPH limits, these are mainly on A or B roads that carry quite a lot of traffic but consist of no more than half a dozen houses fronting the road. certainly not villages by any standard. If these people get their way, you soon won't be able to travel more than a mile or two before hitting another "village " with a 30MPH limit, then another, then another....

We need to keep an eye on our local papers and object to as many of these as possible because they are blatently flouting Dept for Transport Guidelines, but will get passed, if NO-ONE objects but will have trouble going against guidelines, if the objections are reasonable.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.